Performance dropoff - Heart issues?

2 years I ran 10 miles 6:06 pace. 6 months ago I ran 10 miles at 7:20 pace and chatted with my friend the entire way. Today one 7 minute mile brings me to my knees. I have not gained any weight. I have been training consistently (not over-training) and have made no significant lifestyle changes. Yet my recovery HR pace (upper 130s) now feels anaerobic. If I manage to get into the 150s I am on barrowed time and just under 8 minute mile pace.

I have met with two MDs. I did blood work and both MDs saw nothing to cause alarm.

Blood pressure normal.

I had a calcium score test and it came back 23. Nothing there either.

My Garmin says no AFIB detected.

I am listening to Haywire Heart. I have to believe it has something to do with the heart and me being a life long endurance athlete. I am 56 years and have been training non stop since I was 15.

Can anyone shed some light on what might be going on? Anybody gone through something similar?

Thanks

Mike

That’s very parallel to when my wheels fell off. In my mid 50’s I was still performing like you. I won my age group at everything I did, could still win small local triathlons, and BQ’ed every marathon I ran. Started struggling at 57, and by 58, effort level went way up attempting to maintain the same performance. If I maintained the same effort level as I alway had, my performance started crashing and burning.

Long story short, I’m a life long runner in a huge local running community, with many of my friends my age and older. Comparing notes, for many of us, who’ve pushed things our whole life, this seems to be pretty normal. So instead of freaking out over low T , heart issues, and whatever else, I just kept plugging away, eating and staying healthy, putting in the same effort, and accepting the decline in performance, while having fun. Now at 63, my 7-8 minute per mile training pace is now 9-10 minute pace. My 6 minute paced 5k’s are now 7 minute paces. My sub 1:30 HM’s are barely sub 1:40’s, and I’m just squeeking under 4 hours in my marathons, and haven’t BQ’ed since 2017. But I feel great, and still a competitive local age grouper… because my competition is dealing with the same decline.

I’ve experienced something similar. Interestingly, my bike and swim aren’t similarly impacted. They aren’t going up, but no sudden drop off a cliff.

2 years I ran 10 miles 6:06 pace. 6 months ago I ran 10 miles at 7:20 pace and chatted with my friend the entire way. Today one 7 minute mile brings me to my knees. I have not gained any weight. I have been training consistently (not over-training) and have made no significant lifestyle changes. Yet my recovery HR pace (upper 130s) now feels anaerobic. If I manage to get into the 150s I am on barrowed time and just under 8 minute mile pace.

I have met with two MDs. I did blood work and both MDs saw nothing to cause alarm.

Blood pressure normal.

I had a calcium score test and it came back 23. Nothing there either.

My Garmin says no AFIB detected.

I am listening to Haywire Heart. I have to believe it has something to do with the heart and me being a life long endurance athlete. I am 56 years and have been training non stop since I was 15.

Can anyone shed some light on what might be going on? Anybody gone through something similar?

Thanks

Mike

A little younger than you, but a timely post. I’m posting this from the waiting room of the cardiologist - I’m back for a six-month double check.

A similar thing happened to me last April & I was convinced it was heart related, so I had a bunch of tests & ended up seeing a cardiologist. He sent me for a ct calcium check which gave a score of zero, but picked up a spot on my lung. Had a lung specific scan & it was gone by then.

The respiratory specialist I was referred to said I likely had a low level virus that took a few months to fully disappear. Your average guy walking around probably wouldn’t have even known, but someone doing Vo2 intervals certainly would:)

The old age answers only make sense if your timeline were longer. Things do drop off, but you seemed to have gone off a cliff.

If I were to guess, I would say it was probably covid related. A lot of athletes have dropped off of cliffs, and at all ages from some bad covid side affects. Some all the way to the floor too…

Im guessing age related. I was running 18:00 5k’s until about age 51 then the proverbial wheels came off. Same training etc…but now at 57 I struggle to break 20:00 in a stand alone 5k.
The run speed just isnt there anymore.
On the bike Im just as fast as ever.

Go see a respiratory therapist and have yourself checked for asthma. I fought the same problem for a couple years till I find I had asthma that was likely caused by CO. (retired firefighter) It affects the alveoli for me. I didn’t have any wheezing, but my heart wouldn’t respond. They put me on Breo and an inhaler as needed. I was able to reach 175 HR which before I was maxed at 155 before.

I’ve experienced something similar. Interestingly, my bike and swim aren’t similarly impacted. They aren’t going up, but no sudden drop off a cliff.

I went through the same thing about 10 years ago. I began having trouble running, but no problems cycling or swimming. But after about 2 years, my cycling started to be affected as well. Swimming was still OK. I began seeing a pulmonologist since my main issue was shortness of breath, but everything checked out OK, and various inhalers and prescriptions didn’t help. Just on a whim, he referred me to a cardiologist, and the night before my appointment I went into full persistent afib. Several months later I was able to get an ablation, and despite nearly a year of reduced activity (and being in my late 50s), within a few weeks I was routinely beating Strava PRs that I had set years earlier. So despite nothing obvious showing up except fatigue and reduced performance (which my GP said was just “getting older”), there was apparently something not quite right for a few years previous before the afib showed up.

if you ran 6:06 for 10mi 2 years ago then i assume you are no older than, say, 50. the fact that you’re out there getting a calcium score means you’re probably 50 or not far from one on one side or the other. so, i don’t want to get over my skis here. but since you brought up the question of heart health, and on the assumption this might bug you until you get to the bottom of it…

this could be a good time for you (again, simply based my experience and some men i know in my cohort) to think about a relationship with a cardiology group. this very forum, maybe 15 years ago, was one of the first places (maybe the first) to end-user-crowdsource the high incidence of arrhythmias among hard charging endurance athletes who’ve had the gas pedal to the floor for decades, such arrhythmias often beginning to express themselves roughly around age-50 plus/minus.

i have no idea why you’re struggling to run a 7min mile. maybe you’re anemic. maybe you forgot to tell us you’re 25lb heavier. that said, i don’t know that your garmin watch is the best device (tho maybe there’s functionality there nowadays with which i’m not familiar). in my own experience a kardia device ($79) will give you a medical grade EKG trace as often as you want. when you feel like poop sit yourself down for 2 or 3 30sec traces. maybe it’s afib. maybe it’s sinus rhythm with a bunch of premature ventricular contractions thrown in. maybe it’s some other kind of arrhythmia. just, when you click and message that trace off to your cardiologist now that doctor has some data other than a whiny patient who’s misdiagnosing indigestion. also an apple watch will give you some useful 24/7 data according to cardiologists to whom i’ve spoken.

you might have a blockage. notwithstanding your low calcium score. ask tom hampton about that. again, having a relationship with a cardiologist could help you forestall a problem. i have a friend who’s going through this. my age. is with kaiser in california. they were treating him in the most cavalier way. gave him an appointment to cardiovert him out of afib in 2 months. why worry about afib? how much heart function do you need to sit and watch judge judy all day? which is what you do when you’re 68 years old, right? (so, we got that straightened out.)

if it turns out that your slow runs are the effect of age welcome to the club. or because you had a thyroid condition. it’s still not going to hurt you to establish a relationship with a cardiology group and best to do your homework and pick the right group before it becomes an emergency. for me, it was an emergency, and i started by picking the right electrophysiologists and that determined the medical group i would be with, since my problem was electrical rather than plumbing. i’m coming up on my 2yr anniversary of my ablation for afib.

if your cardiologist thinks you warrant a holter to check your heart’s function over a period of time i’ve had 2 brands: Zio by iRhythm, and ePatch by Philips. what you want is the one from Philips. both are a patch which you place on your chest yourself (they’ll mail you the kit). you shave that part of your chest and stick this thing on and its got to stay on for a week. the Zio came off during the first zwift ride. the ePatch stayed on for runs, rides, including indoor rides, for a week, no problem. but your cardiologist won’t know this because they have no real data on which is the better holter for folks who do what you do, so be an active participant on the process and ask here if you have any questions.

good luck. report back.

I turned 50 this year and we sound similar in terms of performance. Have had several checks because it does seem like I’ve really slid in the past few years. Medically everything is fine. My cardiologist did find I have an Athlete’s Heart, which makes some sense with the amount of cardio I’ve done for almost 15 years discovering triathlon in my mid-30s. Otherwise everything medically looks good.

Question for you… did you have Covid? I had it twice confirmed and maybe once in the January timeframe before we knew Covid was a thing. All I know is I’m not the same athlete I was a short time ago. Like you I particularly notice it in my running paces and efforts.

I’ve also apparently developed a seasonal allergy of some sort and had a tooth with a root canal go bad. Both of those made me miserable until I sorted out what was going on. The long and short of it is for the last couple of race seasons is I’m not the same athlete I was not too long ago. Really is hard to describe as I’m still doing well at local races, etc. but I definitely notice something has changed.

Don’t have any answers for you, but I get where you’re coming from.

Question for you… did you have Covid?

I had Covid once in early Jan 2022, with just two-three days of feeling pretty bad. At 61, my max HR was 177 prior to Covid. Afterwards, may max HR was around 159/160, and it did affect my pace. I am finally getting my max HR back up to around 167 and did a 10k two weeks ago with my HR at 159 for the last half.

I was just starting, having only trained for three years. So, after a few months I was back to getting in better shape and setting PRs (slow, but PRs none-the-less). But I can see how Covid can really mess up someone who’s fast like you.

For years, I’ve been maintaining a consistent training regimen. In October of 2022 I contracted COVID-19. I noticed a significant change in my resting heart rate, which typically hovered in the 50s. Instead, it skyrocketed into the 80s, persisting for several months before returning to its baseline. Unfortunately, this was short-lived, and my heart rate began to climb once again starting in April of 2023.
Concerned, I decided to see my PCP. Following a series of evaluations, including an echo, various lab tests ruling out common causes like thyroid issues or anemia, and even a calcium score assessment yielding a result of 1.7, my PCP remained unperturbed by the findings.
However, the persistent elevation in my resting heart rate left me feeling frustrated. I pursued a cardiology consultation. The cardiologist, suspecting a hidden atrial arrhythmia, recommended a repeat of the continuous ambulatory monitoring (CAM) test.
This led me to an Electrophysiology Cardiology consultation and ultimately, an ablation procedure for atrial tachycardia. The experience was indeed shocking—quite literally. Following the ablation, there was a brief reprieve as my heart rate returned to baseline. But, it surged once again after a mere three days, with my resting heart rate consistently surpassing 100 beats per minute. Apparently this is somewhat common after an ablation.
Subsequent CAM monitoring revealed sporadic episodes of atrial tachycardia, but none exceeding nine beats in duration. Currently, I’m two months post-ablation. Even walking at a modest 3 mph now pushes me close to my zone 2 heart rate.
I am 55 at the time of writing and hoping that things are beginning to turnaround as my resting heart rate has decreased back into the 80s.

I am with Dan - good to see a cardiologist and have it fully checked out. If nothing else it will give you peace of mind and provide a solid baseline for any future potential issues as you continue to maintain your fitness as you age.

For years, I’ve been maintaining a consistent training regimen. In October of 2022 I contracted COVID-19. I noticed a significant change in my resting heart rate, which typically hovered in the 50s. Instead, it skyrocketed into the 80s, persisting for several months before returning to its baseline. Unfortunately, this was short-lived, and my heart rate began to climb once again starting in April of 2023.
Concerned, I decided to see my PCP. Following a series of evaluations, including an echo, various lab tests ruling out common causes like thyroid issues or anemia, and even a calcium score assessment yielding a result of 1.7, my PCP remained unperturbed by the findings.
However, the persistent elevation in my resting heart rate left me feeling frustrated. I pursued a cardiology consultation. The cardiologist, suspecting a hidden atrial arrhythmia, recommended a repeat of the continuous ambulatory monitoring (CAM) test.
This led me to an Electrophysiology Cardiology consultation and ultimately, an ablation procedure for atrial tachycardia. The experience was indeed shocking—quite literally. Following the ablation, there was a brief reprieve as my heart rate returned to baseline. But, it surged once again after a mere three days, with my resting heart rate consistently surpassing 100 beats per minute. Apparently this is somewhat common after an ablation.
Subsequent CAM monitoring revealed sporadic episodes of atrial tachycardia, but none exceeding nine beats in duration. Currently, I’m two months post-ablation. Even walking at a modest 3 mph now pushes me close to my zone 2 heart rate.
I am 55 at the time of writing and hoping that things are beginning to turnaround as my resting heart rate has decreased back into the 80s.

Good luck. That is frightening.

About 20 months ago, I developed atrial flutter. I don’t know why I use the word “developed”. It happened overnight. One day I was fine and the next day I was out of breath after going up a single flight of stairs. I literally had to stop and catch my breath when I got to the top. My resting heartrate, which is normally in the mid-40s, was in the low 30s and it took forever to get it into the 120s (I continued to exercise every day). The day after my ablation, everything was fine again. The morning after the procedure, I was on the elliptical and felt fine. I am 64-years-old and 17 months post-ablation. Everything remains good. I run, bike, or swim everyday with no heart issues. Knock on wood. I hope you have as good of luck going forward.

If I were to guess, I would say it was probably covid related. A lot of athletes have dropped off of cliffs, and at all ages from some bad covid side affects. Some all the way to the floor too…

Two things: this would be my guess too.

The other thing is, the cliff should not have happened and the OP is doing the right thing by trying to figure it out what is causing this.

Dudaddy - same deal here.

18 min. 5 k’s - in duathlon, (run 1) prior to covid

22 min. now

bike… within 50 seconds over 20 k