People who are real doctors - treating hypothermia?

I’m fine; I’m writing a novel in which an 18 year old female character gets hypothermia from too much time swimming in the ocean. If anyone knowledgeable could help clarify some details, I’d appreciate it. Thank you! I’ll list you in the acknowledgements by your ST handle!

  • is it reasonable the character could go unconscious due to shock from the cold?
  • is it reasonable the shock from the cold could cause some memory loss?
  • what do the EMTs do when they pull her out of the water? A space blanket?
  • how is hypothermia treated at the hospital? lots of warm blankets? an IV? If an IV, for how long?
  • is it reasonable that the character would spend the better part of the next 48 hrs sleeping while she warms up?
  • what would the changes in skin color look like? blue from the cold, back to the pale skin Mainers get in the winter?
  • how long would it take to get back to normal body temp?
  • is 2 nights in the hospital a pretty reasonable timeframe, assuming no other issues, just hypothermia?
  • any fun or useful details that come to mind?

My sincerest thanks.
TC

If it’s a romance novel the emt definitely treats her to some warm lovin
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This is a great LR response!

In Croatia we would give her shot of Sljivovica. (just look it up :slight_smile: ).

This is a summary table from UptoDate. There is a much much more detailed segment on this but this will get the ball rolling for many of your questions.
Initial management of hypothermia: Rapid overview of emergency management
GeneralDefinition: core temperature lower than 35°C (95°F)
Mild: 32 to 35°C (90 to 95°F)Moderate: 28 to 32°C (82 to 90°F)Severe: below 28°C (82°F)In patients who are not completely alert and oriented, measure core temperature with a low-reading, digital temperature probe if available. Measure esophageal temperature in patients with tracheal tube or supraglottic airway in place.* Standard oral thermometers do not read below 34°C (93°F).Consider hypothermia secondary to other conditions (eg, infection, hypoglycemia, adrenal insufficiency, hypothyroidism, overdose, trauma). Older adults are at higher risk. Hypothermia with associated comorbidities or trauma is considered more severe.Clinical aspectsPhysical examination
Vital signs
Mild hypothermia: tachypnea, tachycardia, hyperventilationModerate hypothermia: expect bradycardia (tachycardia suggests hypoglycemia, hypovolemia, or overdose), hypotension, hypoventilationSevere hypothermia: hypotension, cardiovascular collapseNeurological examination
Mild hypothermia: ataxia, dysarthria, impaired judgement; suspect CNS pathology if patient comatoseModerate hypothermia: CNS depressionSevere hypothermia: areflexia, comaLaboratory evaluationFor patients with moderate or severe hypothermia, studies to obtain include: fingerstick glucose, coagulation studies, CBC, basic electrolytes, BUN and creatinine, serum lactate, electrocardiogram, plain chest radiograph. Additional studies may be needed.
Clinical coagulopathy may be present despite normal measured coagulation timesIncreased hematocrit may reflect hemoconcentrationMay see low bicarbonate, suggesting anion-gap acidosis; if so, obtain venous or arterial blood gasElectrocardiogram
Rhythm abnormalities (atrial fibrillation, sinus bradycardia) may be presentIntervals (PR, QRS, and QTc) may be prolongedOsborn J waves are characteristic of hypothermia (but can occur with other conditions)
Occur at junction of QRS and ST segments, most prominent in V2 to V5Distortion of the earliest phase of membrane depolarizationComputer may misinterpret as ischemic injury patternTreatmentEndotracheal intubation may be necessary in obtunded or unconscious patients and those with bronchorrheaTreat hypotension with warmed, isotonic crystalloid (40 to 42°C) initially, vasopressors (norepinephrine preferred) if necessaryAvoid rough movements and activity, which may induce ventricular fibrillationRewarming techniques are based on degree of hypothermia
Mild hypothermia
Remove wet clothing, cover with warm blankets, keep room temperature at approximately 28°C (82°F).Provide active external rewarming, with forced air warming systems if available. Warmed blankets, heating pads, radiant heat sources can also be used. Avoid burning skin.Moderate hypothermia
Provide active external rewarming as described above.Give warmed IV fluids (40 to 42°C) and warmed humidified oxygen as adjuncts (these are not primary rewarming methods).Beware of afterdrop, a drop in core temperature caused by return of cold blood from the extremities to the core circulation. Rewarm trunk first to minimize afterdrop.Severe hypothermia: active external rewarming and active internal rewarming (active core rewarming)
Perform interventions for moderate hypothermia.For hemodynamically stable patients, rewarm with endovascular temperature catheter whenever available.For hemodynamically unstable patients, rewarm with ECMO (preferred approach) or CPB if possible. If ECMO or CPB not available, can perform continuous venovenous rewarming, hemodialysis, continuous arteriovenous rewarming.If other interventions unavailable, may perform peritoneal or pleural irrigation with warmed, isotonic saline (40 to 42°C).Treatment of arrhythmias
Arrhythmias may persist until patient rewarmedIgnore atrial arrhythmias with slow ventricular responseVentricular fibrillation is common rhythm
Electrical defibrillation may be attempted but is rarely successful until core temperature is above 30°C.Initiate CPR in all patients with cardiac arrest; do not perform chest compressions if an organized rhythm is present on the cardiac monitor.*

I’m fine; I’m writing a novel in which an 18 year old female character gets hypothermia from too much time swimming in the ocean. If anyone knowledgeable could help clarify some details, I’d appreciate it. Thank you! I’ll list you in the acknowledgements by your ST handle!

  • is it reasonable the character could go unconscious due to shock from the cold? Yes-see above for what temps this happens at (Severe)
  • is it reasonable the shock from the cold could cause some memory loss? Yes-but mainly if she is unconscious for other reasons, although we have it happen a lot here in the channel crossing where swimmers report not remembering the last few kms etc.
  • what do the EMTs do when they pull her out of the water? A space blanket? Depends on the severity. Space blanket to begin with in more mild cases.
  • how is hypothermia treated at the hospital? lots of warm blankets? an IV? If an IV, for how long? See above. Depends on severity. Lots that can happen.
  • is it reasonable that the character would spend the better part of the next 48 hrs sleeping while she warms up? Not really. Only if needing to be intubated and ventilated (for which she would be sedated)
  • what would the changes in skin color look like? blue from the cold, back to the pale skin Mainers get in the winter? Lips may be blue but generally pale/white.
  • how long would it take to get back to normal body temp? Depends on the starting temp. See below:
    Passive external rewarming — Passive external rewarming is used for mild hypothermia. It is also used in patients undergoing aggressive rewarming for moderate to severe hypothermia. After wet clothing is removed, the patient is covered with blankets or other types of insulation. The resulting reduction in heat loss combines with the patient’s intrinsic heat production to produce rewarming. Room temperature should be maintained at approximately 28°C (82°F), if possible.
    Passive external rewarming requires physiologic reserve sufficient to generate heat by shivering or by increasing the metabolic rate. Passive external rewarming alone may be unsuccessful in the setting of glycogen depletion, sepsis, or hypovolemia, especially in older adult patients. Many older adult patients lack normal metabolic and cardiovascular homeostasis and require active rewarming.
    The recommended rate of rewarming varies between 0.5 and 2°C/hour. If available, active external rewarming is routinely added to passive rewarming for patient comfort and to decrease cardiovascular energy requirements. Active rewarming measures should be implemented if the rate of rewarming falls below 0.5°C/hour, dysrhythmias are present, or the patient fails to respond to passive rewarming 28]. Failure to rewarm should alert the clinician to the possibility of additional causes of hypothermia in addition to environmental exposure (table 8). (See ‘Differential diagnosis’ above.)
    Active external rewarming — During active external rewarming, some combination of warm blankets, heating pads, radiant heat, warm baths, or forced warm air is applied directly to the patient’s skin. These methods are indicated for moderate to severe hypothermia (<32°C) and for patients with mild hypothermia who lack physiologic reserve or fail to respond to passive external rewarming. Active external rewarming provides an effective initial strategy for most spontaneously perfusing, severely hypothermic patients.
  • is 2 nights in the hospital a pretty reasonable timeframe, assuming no other issues, just hypothermia? Yes, but if mild no, too long.
  • any fun or useful details that come to mind? The resuscitation if they have a cardiac arrest is cool in that it is quite different to a normal cardiac arrest situation. But that is probably a little too dramatic for where your character is heading from the sounds of things?

My sincerest thanks. You are most, most welcome.
TC

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Thank you! I have what I need between your two replies. This is great stuff!

I my 13 years working one shift a week in the ER I didn’t have to treat much hypothermia and never a really bad case. Once I had a case where a guy fell off his boat just as it was getting dark in Lake St. Clair. No lifejacket on. They found him the next morning he had been treading water all night. I think water temp was about mid 70s maybe even high 70s. He was just a few degrees below normal. He was in the ER for about 6 hours up to normal temp and normal exam otherwise. Then I let him go. Everybody was shocked how well he did.

I can add some colour. As a student I was heavily into technical scuba diving (an expensive hobby). I found a research team at the university who was investigating at what water temperatures different safety equipment should be required at oil rigs and supply ships. When humans are the Guinea pigs the pay is good :slight_smile:

Long story short a couple of dive buddies and I ended up two days in water of 20c the first day and 25 the following day with temperature probes all over my body (and inside) dressed only in normal clothes and those ugly orange life wests that you know from ferries etc. We were in the water until we were hypothermic both days. If you think you have been cold in winter on your fingers or toes, it’s nothing compared to be cold inside.

When we were close to hypothermia they showed us a movie we hadn’t seen before and asked us questions afterwards . There was five of us and no one answered a single question right.

They also asked if we think we would have managed in waves (no) or if we would have managed if we had to keep an injured person afloat (also no).

Earned some good money and as a bonus I got a good scare. You’d think 25c was warm, it isn’t after 6 hours ….

I grew up open water swimming in cold ocean waters. Water temp was typically 55-60 F. Cold enough to have some people exhibit the mammalian diving reflex and often gasp for air after jumping in. You would quickly get a headache if you didn’t wear a cap. When the air temp was down and we did longer swims we would have a few cases of minor hypothermia. Got them dry and in sweats and then made a puppy pile with some blankets on top. Usually back to normal after less than an hour.

you’re the second person to mention the confusion. This is very helpful.

Depending on where the novel is based, it could be Coast Guard (regular or auxiliary) who actually pull her from the water and hand her over to EMTs. When I was with the auxiliary, we had warming bags that we put people into prior to handover.

you’re the second person to mention the confusion. This is very helpful.

yep - similar to high altitude, actually. i got pulled out of the water at a swimrun once, and the coast guard spent a lot of time asking me simple questions - “what’s your name?” etc. it frustrated me because i used to a lifeguaed and did some extreme environments research, so i knew what they were doing. on the other hand my brain was so damned slow!

amother factoid is the old cure of booze (brandy, schnapps, whatever) doesn’t work. if anything it likely makes matters worse.

you’re the second person to mention the confusion. This is very helpful.
I always enjoyed this article/story of hypothermia. Not an ocean scenario, but might be helpful.

https://www.outsideonline.com/2152131/freezing-death

I believe in Lynn Cox’s book, Swimming to Antarctica, she said they inserted an anal thermometer, to keep tabs on her core temperature.

So small details matter, in said hypothermia treatment of your heroine, you know where the thermometer goes.

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Thank you! I have what I need between your two replies. This is great stuff!

Not a problem.
Minor correction (seeing as you know the hurdles we jump through…!!), it’s Clinical Professor now… :wink:

Dr. Tigerchik wrote:
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Thank you! I have what I need between your two replies. This is great stuff!
Not a problem.
Minor correction (seeing as you know the hurdles we jump through…!!), it’s Clinical Professor now… :wink:

I do know. Congrats!

Dr. Tigerchik wrote:
*adds Dr. Amnesia to the acknowledgements

Thank you! I have what I need between your two replies. This is great stuff!
Not a problem.
Minor correction (seeing as you know the hurdles we jump through…!!), it’s Clinical Professor now… :wink:

I do know. Congrats!

I didn’t see anyone specifically answer your questions about what EMS would do in the field. I was a paramedic in upstate NY in the mid 80’s. One of the first in the region. We got a lot of hypothermia cases, either older people trying to save money on heat in the winter, or the adventurous that got in trouble. I never saw anyone unconscious from hypothermia, but I have seen a lot of people that were cold enough to be very confused, and a couple that got to the point of removing their clothing. We had some standard protocols:

  • Remove all wet clothing
  • Cover them with wool blankets and place chemical heating pads under the blanket with them
  • Put them on a back board and handle them very gently - do not jar or jostle them.
  • Place them on O2 and EKG, and start an IV of Lactated Ringers at KVO. Be ready to intervein with heart arrythmias. I seem to recall that there were some instances were lidocaine was given as a precaution, but I may be miss remembering after 40 year.
  • Transport them as carefully as we could to the ER.

The rule of thumb is that no one is dead until they are warm and dead. That applied once to a teenage kid that fell though the ice and was pulled out 25 minutes later by the sheriff. We did CPR all the way to the ER and as far as I know, that kid is with us today with no neurological issues.

EMS in cold weather is a lot different than the other 3 seasons, and in up state NY that is an entire module in paramedic training.