Pedal System Review

I’ve seen a few posts in the past few days asking for feedback on different pedals, so here’s our brief review of the relevant road systems. One thing of note is our take on float. Anything more than ~6 degrees is excessive (not necessarily detrimental, just not necessary). If a rider is moving through a range of motion more than that, there is typically something wrong with either the fit or the rider’s biomechanics. Float may be a band aid, but not the cure. More than 6 degrees really just allows for sloppy cleat alignment. Now having said that…

Speedplay Zero or Light Action - We used to be quite cautious in our recommendation of Speedplay pedals until the introduction of these 2 models. Why? The original X series pedals had a cleat interface that was not very rigid laterally. We (and others) tended to see that this instability didn’t cause, but could definitely exacerbate any lateral knee stability issues (ie IT band). The massive amount of float offered didn’t offer any magical cures to all knee problems - it just allowed for relatively sloppy cleat setup. These problems have been clearly addressed with the Zero and Light Action cleat design. These cleats have lateral rigidity magnitudes greater than the X series cleats. I like the adjustable float on the Zero’s. I like to use it the way a dentist uses screws on braces. We turn the screws a tiny bit over a long period of time to get the alignment (pedal stroke) desired. What I don’t like about the Zero’s? There is a lot of force required to enter these pedals. It’s so much that it is actually limiting for smaller riders. The solution? Get the Light Action. Pretty much the same cleat/pedal design, sans float adjustment, but requires far less force to enter. The 2 sided feature of the pedal? Sounds like it would be easier, but in actuality we find that most riders (especially those new to clipless pedals) have a more difficult time with Speedplay than a Look style. The Look style is weighted so it falls in the same position every time. If you come from the back and brush your shoe over the pedal, it is hard to miss clipping in to a Look style.

Pro
Adjustable float on the Zero’sServiceableCool colorways to match the bike

Con
Lots of entry force on the Zero’sHarder to find right pedal position to clip into compared to Look style

Look Keo - The Keo family of pedals covers a huge price/weight range, but the functional aspects are conserved throughout the line. The best thing about Looks? Great lateral rigidity, with enough float to allow for biomechanical deviation a rider may have in his/her pedal stroke. The worst thing? We’ve found that the pedal body itself wears rather quickly. By rather quickly I mean we start to see grooves, caused by the cleat, in the pedal body after ~5000 miles. We see it more often on the higher end Keo Carbons, but this is likely a function of those particular riders tending to ride more miles. It seems to have become less of an issue in the last 8-12 months, so perhaps Look has addressed the issue (although nothing visually has changed about the pedals). Also a bonus is the ease of entry. Not much force is required to enter the pedal, and it falls to the same neutral position for re-entry whenever disconnected from a shoe.

Pro
Good lateral rigidtyEasy to clip into, regardless of experience level

Con
Not readily serviceablePedal lifetime has been an issue

Shimano SPD-SL - Let’s face it - this is a Look re-badged as a Shimano. I take that back. This is a Look that Shimano has taken, and made into a BETTER pedal. These Shimano pedals have all the advantages of the existing Look Keos, but improve on two areas. One, the SPD-SL’s have amazing lateral rigidity. It’s an extremely wide surface that feels very solid under power. Even better than the Keo. Two, the lifetime/durability of the pedals are amazing. Since it’s an aluminum/ti body, we’ve had no problems with excessive wear. The cleats seem to last about as long as the Keo cleats as well. Like the Keos, they have limited serviceability. Same ease of entry/exit as the Keo’s as well.

Pro
Class leading lateral rigidityAlso extreme ease of entry/exitAwesome pedal durability

Con
Limited serviceability

Time RXS - Also very similar to a Look design. We want to like these pedals. We really do. I’m pretty mixed overall, though. First, I’m a bit concerned about durability. I’ve seen a fair share break at the front tip of the pedal, where the cleat slides underneath. They have all been relatively new pedals and under riders that seem not to be hard on equipment. Time has warrantied all these without question - however it is still an inconvenience. Cleat positioning can be a bit difficult (rotationally). The lateral float doesn’t seem to be of benefit, but also doesn’t seem to cause any harm. These pedals offer the least lateral stability of any system we’ve covered. Also, although the entry principle is the same as a Look, the are significantly more difficult for people to get into because of the relatively small bullseye you must aim for the front of the cleat for on the pedal.

Pro
Look hot. Especially the white RXL
Con
Pedal durability is suspectEntry is spottyLimited serviceabilityDifficult cleat setup

So a quick ranking and wrap up.

Lateral Stability
Shimano SPD-SLSpeedplay Zero/Light ActionLook KeoTime RXS
**Ease of Entry **
Shimano SPD-SLLook KeoSpeedplay Light ActionTime RXSSpeedplay Zero
Serviceability
SpeedplayEverything else
Durability/Pedal Lifetime
Shimano SPD-SLSpeedplayLook KeoTime RXS
Sexiest
Time RXS - Screams “I grew up riding Time pedals in the 90’s!” Rider likely sports an awesome euro/aero-mulletSpeedplay - Color coordination with the bike is awesome.Look Keo - Rider is an obvious Francophile. Good for Hinault, good enough for me.
Shimano SPD-SL - The Miguel Indurain of pedals. Not exciting, but functional, and no surprises. Also big and lunky looking

Best Selling at Davis Wheelworks
Look KeoShimano SPD-SLSpeeplayTime_____________________

  • Joe S.

Nice summary. Thanks!

How do eggbeaters fit in?

Thanks for the review. I noticed that your review does not mention anything about the size of the platform. I often experience pain in the balls of my feet. I am not sure it this is purely a shoe issue or if the pedals have anything to do with it. My shoes have a carbon sole so I am guessing the pedal platform size may be irrelevant. I have used the speedplays and the Look Keos. The problem seemed to be worse with the speedplays but that may just be my imagination.

I don’t like the entry of the Look and prefer the speedplay but the foot pain issue is far more important to me.

Eggbeaters - Call us biased or whatever you will - we just don’t consider these a road system. Extremely poor lateral stability if we compare them to a road system of any type.

I’m not convinced that platform size is all that important amongst these different pedals purely because of the rigidity of most high quality, carbon soled shoes. An extremely stiff sole transfers force over quite a large area. A smaller platform size may wear out a stiff soled shoe faster, however that is purely conjecture on my part. What really concerns us when helping a rider decide on a pedal system are the lateral rigidity properties, rotational setup and ease of entry/exit of a given pedal.


-Joe S.

Nice summary. Interesting that Speedplay is top 1 or 2 in every category, but you sell more Look and Shimano. I still ride the Speedplay X2s and just bought another pair so I’d have one set on my road and tri bikes without having to change shoes or pedals. I started riding them 6 or 7 years ago, largely because they were actually much easier to get in and out of from my Shimanos, but maybe Look and Shimano have made strides in ease of entry since then.

I really like the light action speedplay compared to my old x-3’s. i try to get them kinf dirty though so they don’t feel so icy. anybody else have thoughts or disagreements on this summary?

Personally, the number one disadvantage of Speedplay pedals is the way the interface between cleat and pedal feels: as if you’re stepping on an ice cube – a feeling that completely destroys your confidence on descents, and is disconcerting on every other circumstance. And this is not something that you become accustomed to: I kept my X3s for close to two years and never got comfortable with them. I then tried the Zeroes, but they felt exactly the same: the lack of a return spring action on the float mechanism makes them unacceptable to me.

I am now using the Time RXS and I agree with your opinion of them save for the durability issue: have had them for almost three years (about 15,000 miles) and have not had an issue with them (although the right cleat is now pretty worn from entering/exiting).

John

Interesting that Speedplay is top 1 or 2 in every category, but you sell more Look and Shimano.

Simple - price and inertia. Speedplay entry level pedals are about twice the price of the Look Keo Classic and Shimano 105. For 90% of people buying their first clipless pedals, I would guess they’re not going to spend a lot of money unless there’s a good functional reason to and for pedals there simply isn’t. Assuming they don’t have any problems with whatever they buy first time round, chances are that’s what they’ll buy again, maybe in titanium or carbon this time round, when they come back to upgrade or buy a second bike.

Speedplay are only really competing with Shimano/Look for first-time buyers looking to drop $2k+ on a bike, for buyers who have had issues with other pedals, or for buyers who will try everything out, money no object. There are a fair few triathletes in the first and last category which is why Speedplay probably do quite well in the tri market!

Very helpful review.

After posting a position critique on my entry level road bike, I got hammered for having toe-clips. I bought a pair of Ultregra SPD-SL’s and Specialized Trivents today. After a 30 mile ride I was very happy. Ate pavement at the first traffic light, but that’s part of the learning curve, right? :slight_smile:

Good stuff Joe. I disagree about entry into the speed plays. They are dual sided and makes clipping in easier in my book. The zeros are a bit tighter for clipping in than my Frogs, old X3s and X2s.

Joe has been around many more cyclists than I ever will, so he has more points of view.

Personally, the number one disadvantage of Speedplay pedals is the way the interface between cleat and pedal feels: as if you’re stepping on an ice cube – a feeling that completely destroys your confidence on descents, and is disconcerting on every other circumstance. And this is not something that you become accustomed to: I kept my X3s for close to two years and never got comfortable with them. I then tried the Zeroes, but they felt exactly the same: the lack of a return spring action on the float mechanism makes them unacceptable to me.

How are the rest of you bike handling skills? I ask because all the cyclists (not triathlets) I know that do not like being locked into a <3* float get used to the ice cube feeling withing a month or two. The zeros came out and if you need some support laterally in your pedal system, this is the answer.

Agreed on the ease of clipping into the Speedplay Zeros. If it takes a lot of force for you to enter the Zeros it is quite possible you had your cleat screws over torqued. I think they specifically mention that as a danger in the Speeplay installation guide. Mine clip in with less effort than the Shimanos I had previously

totally agree w/ the reviews…

Had looks my first season in tri’s a few years back. Sold my bike and bought a “tri” bike and got eggbeaters for it, hated them, sold them, bought speedplay light actions and liked them at first, yet I started having knee (ITB) issues about 2 months into buying them. That (ITB) lasted about 7 months and just got over the injury in January of this year… Sold my first tri bike and got a P2C w/Ultegra SL’s and absolutely love them, I actually like the way they look, shiny metal on a black/gray/white p2c looks nice, awesome platform and they feel sturdy unlike the SP’s and eggbeaters.

I ask because all the cyclists (not triathlets) I know that do not like being locked into a <3* float get used to the ice cube feeling withing a month or two. The zeros came out and if you need some support laterally in your pedal system, this is the answer.
I don’t mind being locked into a small-angle float; I do mind the disconcerting feeling of the cleat/pedal interface of the Speedplays.

The Zeroes do not differ in this respect from the X-series pedals: yes, their float can be adjusted, but within that float there is no return spring action, so again they feel like you’re constantly stepping on an ice cube.

I wish I could have got used to that feeling because I loved the ease of entry on the Speedplays – the Times are much worse in this respect.

John

A lot of talk about getting in and out out, but how the pedal feels once your in is important too, you spend a lot more time clipped in than clipping in and out I have used loads of pedals and have settled on Times. I have no problems clipping in, the best thing about these pedals is that you feel so secure with them, I never feel as though I am going to unclip accidentally.

Thanks Joe!

One more factor that might be of interest to triathletes. While I usually have my shoes clipped into the pedals in T1, in the few races that I have done where I wanted to put on my shoes, run with the bike, and then clip in, the new Keo “grip” cleats worked great. Very easy to run in, with no slipping.

Rik

I’ve tried Look, Time and SPD-SL over the last 10 years and to be honest they all felt pretty much the same to me once clipped in, and not really much difference in how they clipped in. I suspect the differences in clipping in were as much down to different stages of cleat and pedal wear as anything else. I stopped using Times after I had 2 pairs break on me within a year. Might have been unlucky but wasn’t giving them a third chance.

Only difference for me between Look and Shimano is that the Shimano cleats are nicer to walk around in because they have the grippy corners. That swung it for me and I’m now a 100% Shimano man!

Walkability is definitely a factor to think about. I have found Time pretty good, I like the fact that you can walk on them and it doesn’t wear out the pedal interface.

Interesting that quite a few of you do not like the “icy” feel of the Speedplays. I’ve heard this throughout the years. For those of you with this feeling, do you lube your cleats quite often? As a user of Speedplay Zero’s myself, I have consistently found that once I get a couple of rides on the cleats, the “icy” feel tends to subside. It does, however, return if you clean/lube the cleats. I actually prefer the feel of the slightly dirty (for the lack of a better word) cleat. True, there is no return spring on the Speedplays, however I have not found this to be a significant issue for most riders.

I am rather surprised about the person who experienced the ITB issues with the Light Actions. Not so surprised that he was experiencing the problem, just surprised that swapping pedals solved the issue. As I initially indicated, the Light Actions are quite good with lateral stability. Did you change position, shoes, anything else when you changed the pedals? If so, it’s very difficult to implicate the Light Actions as the culprit for the ITB issue.

Kind of disheartening to hear about the breaking problems some people have had with Time.


-Joe S.

Joe,
best post for review of pedals (as far as I can tell). Thanks for your thorough insight.
It was helpful. I appreciate everyone’s posts.
BTW: I will go with the speedplay zero.
Thanks again.
B

Nice summary for those who have not used multiple systems. I did not like Time for most of the reasons you gave. As a near-20 year Look user I was happy to go back to the Keo Carbon until it started wearing as you described. I’m pretty sure though, that if you tried out the newer Look Max with the metal plate they will have solved the early wear problem. Alternatively, if a Keo Carbon owner is handy with tools, they can cut out a very thin piece of sheet metal, grind it down as thin as possible and then glue it to the pedal body with superglue. I did that a month back and now my pedals all feel new again.

As for speedplay, I’ve never tried them because I hate float. I went from Look red, then tried grey when the Keo came out and now I’m back to the black fixed cleats. If you don’t need float, your cleats last a lot longer.

Chad