Orbea Ordu vs Specialized Shiv (1)

Hello

If to be honest, I am interested in bike for self-supported transcontinental bikepacking tour (last year successfully completed 9000km on a road bike, but for future want TT)
From neighbor theme , I made the conclusion that it is possible to ride everyday on TT for long distances and feel comfortable - need a good bikefit they say

Please tell Your opinion, which of these 2 bikes is more comfortable and feel more relaxed?

2019 Shiv
https://i.postimg.cc/4mML0tn8/shiv.png

or

2021 Ordu
https://i.postimg.cc/hQtyk19Y/ordu.jpg

I would suggest a gravel bike.

I’d stick with the roadie with clipons.

Of the two, it’s going to depend on fit/sizing, but I’d tend toward the Ordu. The Shiv is very low; the issue being having a comfortable basebar position for climbing, cornering, poor surfaces, etc. Pure TT bikes tend to be designed for a basebar position equivalent to deep drops (makes sense for a 45min. TT, less so for bikepacking).

If this is as upright as you can get on the bike…
https://cloudfront-us-east-2.images.arcpublishing.com/reuters/Q6PLI5MOFJLWNMIEQSXSOU6Q4Q.jpg

Titanflexr thanks for answer,
Orbea looks even lower than Shiv
Yes Orbea can flip the bar but even after this i think bar still will be lower…

https://i.ibb.co/P1JPbRD/image.png

anybody?