Official Fit Assistance For Canyon Speedmax, Cfr, Slx, and-Cf

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Madfoot101, Tell me how tall you are and I’ll see if I can work up an answer. It won’t be the best answer, but it’ll be a good answer. I’ve stated this before in this thread and I’m going to state it again not just for you Madfoot but for all athletes out there considering a bike purchase.

If you are going to buy a TT bike/Tri bike…

The best option is to go to an educated, experienced bike fitter who has a dynamic fit bike and get a Prescriptive Fit. A dynamic fit bike is just a tool but I believe that prescribing a bike like this can’t be done with a road bike on a trainer, can’t be done well with any static fit process. Prescriptive fits can be expensive $200-$400 but they are worth it. You walk away with your Pad Y (Pad Stack) and Pad X (Pad Reach) as well as the size of super bike that’s right for you - in this case a Canyon Speedmax, AND you get the front end configuration: this version of the stem, that version of the base bar, this many spacers under the arm pads, etc. That’s the “prescription” part. You also leave with fit coordinates: saddle height, set back, cockpit distance, drop, pad width, extension length, saddle tilt, bar tilt, etc. etc.

Another option is - if you have an existing tri/tt bike and you love the fit - let me walk you through the process of measuring the Pad Y and Pad X and we can duplicate the bike you love within the new purcase.

If you can’t get fit before the buy, if you don’t have a bike to reference then we can start measuring your bod and get close.

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Thanks for the response and noted on all of it. I am 6’4". Maybe worth going back in Jan to my fitter for a prescriptive fit if I really want to take down some TTs…

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Hi Ian,

I don’t know how I missed this thread, but I will take a shot here.

X = 428mm
Y= 670mm

I am probably due for another fit soon, as I feel I can get a bit lower now then when I was fit the last time. Thanks for doing this. I’m 6’2" with a 34 inseam if that helps at all.

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Ianpeace-

Thanks for doing this:

X= 424
Y= 663

Saddle Height = 761

I’m 6’1" with 32" inseam if that helps any.

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I don’t know how I missed this thread, but I will take a shot here.

X = 428mm
Y= 670mm

rsmoylar,

Let me start by saying this…I’m hoping your Pad X of 428 is to the back of the pad. I’m gonna add 50mm to that to get to pad center and make your Pad X 478. Now, this is super presumptuous but it kinda makes sense with your build (6’2" with 34" inseam) especially if you like to ride a bit cramped or maybe you ride shallow in seat angle - let me know, 'til then I’m going forward with 478 as the Pad X.

I’ve taken to prescribing BOTH the 2018 Speedmax and the 2019 Speedmax because…well, as I type this there is a 2018 Medium 9.0 SLX in stock* and I’m not sure if the next wave of bikes to arrive will be 2018s or 2019s. We’re in a fun time right now so I’ll keep working out both options to keep all options open for everybody.

So, on the 2018 Speedmax SLX you’d ride Medium* with the rise bar, short stem and one 60mm spacer + three 5mm spacers. You’d also need the TSP (Team Switch Plate) to help pull the pads back a bit more than stock, that TSP & the 60mm spacer, and the rise bar are all aftermarket items. You’d nearly fit a Large with the stock flat bar, short stem, one 60mm spacer + one 5mm spacer (still with TSP) but it puts your Pad X center at 484, that puts this presumed Pad X 6mm longer than you like, so there’s a question - either way, when you refit if you wanna go lower there’s room with both options.

On the 2019 Speedmax SLX you can only ride the Large and you can choose flat or rise bar and you’d still need the TSP to get back to the presumed Pad X of 478.

Let me know if I’m wrong about the Pad X, Ian

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I don’t know how I missed this thread, but I will take a shot here.

X = 428mm
Y= 670mm

rsmoylar,

Let me start by saying this…I’m hoping your Pad X of 428 is to the back of the pad. I’m gonna add 50mm to that to get to pad center and make your Pad X 478. Now, this is super presumptuous but it kinda makes sense with your build (6’2" with 34" inseam) especially if you like to ride a bit cramped or maybe you ride shallow in seat angle - let me know, 'til then I’m going forward with 478 as the Pad X.

I’ve taken to prescribing BOTH the 2018 Speedmax and the 2019 Speedmax because…well, as I type this there is a 2018 Medium 9.0 SLX in stock* and I’m not sure if the next wave of bikes to arrive will be 2018s or 2019s. We’re in a fun time right now so I’ll keep working out both options to keep all options open for everybody.

So, on the 2018 Speedmax SLX you’d ride Medium* with the rise bar, short stem and one 60mm spacer + three 5mm spacers. You’d also need the TSP (Team Switch Plate) to help pull the pads back a bit more than stock, that TSP & the 60mm spacer, and the rise bar are all aftermarket items. You’d nearly fit a Large with the stock flat bar, short stem, one 60mm spacer + one 5mm spacer (still with TSP) but it puts your Pad X center at 484, that puts this presumed Pad X 6mm longer than you like, so there’s a question - either way, when you refit if you wanna go lower there’s room with both options.

On the 2019 Speedmax SLX you can only ride the Large and you can choose flat or rise bar and you’d still need the TSP to get back to the presumed Pad X of 478.

Let me know if I’m wrong about the Pad X, Ian

I will follow up, if that is alright after my next fit assessment. Thanks so much! Just so we are clear though, that 9.0 SLX you have in medium, that’s an $11,000 bike, right? Or am I reading their site wrong? Again, Ian, thanks so much.

Scott

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Scott,

That Medium that is in stock currently is the 9.0 SLX at $8,500 https://www.canyon.com/en-us/triathlon/speedmax/cf-slx
The SLX 9.0 LTD is the $11k bike

Please do circle back after your fit - and speaking of that, if you’d like some input on a fitter in your area just give me the city and I’ll make some suggestions. As an fit instructor for both F.I.S.T. & Guru Academy…and many years in the community…and a very strong opinion about the process that yeilds a prescriptive fit - I’m eager to recommend if I can.

Ian

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Ian, thanks again. I have been working with Ian Buchanan at FitWerx. I am in Vermont. I have heard from Dan and others that he is very good and I have been very happy with the work that they do there. I would love to hear of your recommendation though as I respect your opinion as well. Thanks!

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Scott,
You’re in great hands at Fit Werx and on their Purely Custom Dynamic Fit Bike. Go back, go through the process again. See how your position has changed and be sure to leave with Pax Y and Pax X to center of pad. Get back to me and let’s make sure we are dead-on for this Speedmax prescription.

Ian

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Thanks for doing this:

X= 424
Y= 663

BTEEZY2, you are welcome!

Okay…I’m going to paste a paragraph that I just wrote 5 posts above this one and I’m just going to tweak the numbers slightly so that it applies to you…Let me start by saying this…I’m hoping your Pad X of 424 is to the back of the pad. I’m gonna add 50mm to that to get to pad center and make your Pad X 474. Now, this is super presumptuous but it nearly makes sense with your build (6’1" with 32" inseam) especially if you like to ride a bit cramped or maybe you ride shallow in seat angle - let me know, 'til then I’m going forward with 474 as the Pad X.

Here we go…on the 2018 Canyon Speedmax SLX you’re a Medium, rise bar, short stem, a single 60mm spacer + a single 5mm spacer, and the TSP plate. Couple of notes here: the rise bar, 60mm spacer, and TSP are all aftermarket items. There is no other size bike or base bar that will work. If you went sans TSP the shortest the Pad X will get is 489 (pads back all the way on the stock mounts). That’s 15mm longer - not out of the question as we see lots of fits where the rider could/should be riding with a bit more reach. And that bit there about the single 60mm spacer + a single 5mm spacer that’s yields a Pad Y of 660, if you wanted to error on the up side of things you’d do a 60 + two 5s - an easy fix.

On the 2019 Canyon Speedmax SLX you’re a Large with a short stem, and the TSP and you can choose either the flat bar or the rise bar, on the base bar shape doesn’t have any effect on the arm pad elevation. I’m not yet 100% sure of the spacers needed to get to 663 but it’s for sure doable. And it has to be a Large, the lowest the new bike goes to on Pad Y is 650, a full 13mm down.

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Hey Ian, Great post. Maybe you can help. I’m looking for a Speedmax CF SLX. This would be my 1st Tri bike. I’m doing 70.3’s and Olympic distance with a Specialized Venge… I’m 5’9" and 3/4 , about 177cm. My inseem is 87cm. I’ve take all my measurement asked on Canyon’s web site. It suggest a Small size in CF SLX. Not sure it’s the right size? Thanks for helping.

Hi Ian, this would be more complete:

I ride a Venge 54" with tri bars
Height 176.5cm
Inseem 87 cm (long legs for my height)

Pad Y Stack = 660mm
BB vertical to top of arm pad

Pad X BB Reach = 374mm (BB horizontal to back of pad)
Saddle Set back = -75mm
Pad X Reach = 449mm

I have a 172.5mm crank. Would probably need a shorter one. 165mm? 170mm?

Arm lenght 64cm
Shoulders 42cm

Thanks

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Thanks Ian,

About to pull the trigger on the 2018 version currently on special CF SLX.

typical S vs M. ( site says Small )

  • height = 177.5
  • inseam = 81
  • saddle height 69-70
  • x = 46
  • y = 63

( I would like at least 20mm either side with x & y )

any advice ?

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Hi Ian,

i’m looking to get Speedmax CF 8 LTD for my 15yo daughter, mostly for sprint triathlons and occasional TT. So, Female, tall, skinny, very athletic, never ridden TT bike before.
120lb
5’ 9.4" (176cm)
Per Canyon charts:
Shoulder width 15"
Arm length 25.5"
Inseam length 33.5"
Torso length 23.5"
Canyon calculator yields size M, but entering a height of just 175cm yields S.

Her road bike is 2015 Felt AR3, 51cm, saddle is in “road” position, saddle height 762mm, saddle setback 55mm, crank 172.2mm, stem 90mm. Bike has Vision team mini TT clip-ons with pad stack of 648mm, and reach to the pad middle of 489mm from the nose of road saddle or 434mm from the bottom bracket centerline.
Would you recommend S or M? Thanks!!!

P.S.: Ian, I apologize – originally I posted wrong measurements for stack and reach, correct ones are ABOVE now. My apologies again.

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Thanks for the reply. My saddle height currently is 825, I’m 184 tall with 90 inseam.

John,

I’m sorry for the slow reply. I wanted to work this formula I’m using a bit more and test it out. It seems really good. Based on the numbers you gave me - and you’ve got a long inseam - I think your Pad Y is ~632 and I think your Pad X is ~511.

From that …the 2018 Speedmax CF SLX that’s right for you is a Medium with a Flat Base Bar, Short Stem with a single 60mm spacer, and pads 1 or 2 holes forward of center. The 60mm spacer is an aftermarket item, it doesn’t come stock but the Flat Base Bar does.

For the 2019 Speedmax CF SLX it’s still a Medium, and it’s still the short stem. It can be either the Flat Base Bar of the Rise Base Bar and I think you’d need a single 20mm spacer + three 5mm spacers to get to 630mm - or - two 20mm spacers to get to 635 in Pad Y

Ian

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Hi Ian

Thanks for doing this!

Pad x = 385 back of pad
Pad y = 720

From a bike fit for my first tt bike.

188cm tall
81cm inseam if that helps

Thanks

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Hi Ian

Thanks for doing this!

Pad x = 385 back of pad
Pad y = 720

From a bike fit for my first tt bike.

188cm tall
81cm inseam if that helps

Thanks

i recommend you do not attempt to buy a bike to fit those coordinates. at least not yet. i want to see your position first. and then let’s have a “fit negotiation”. then we’ll talk about a bike that matches your coordinates.

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Hi Ian

Thanks for doing this!

Pad x = 385 back of pad
Pad y = 720

From a bike fit for my first tt bike.

188cm tall
81cm inseam if that helps

Thanks

i recommend you do not attempt to buy a bike to fit those coordinates. at least not yet. i want to see your position first. and then let’s have a “fit negotiation”. then we’ll talk about a bike that matches your coordinates.

Thanks for your reply. Are those values pretty out there? Unfortunately I don’t currently have a picture to hand from the fit, and this is for my first tt bike so no current position picture either. Obviously it’s not the same but I ride a regular 58cm frame road bike that’s stock except for the saddle without issues. Should a tt bike require that much modification? Sorry I’m new to this as I’m sure you can tell.

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Hi Ian

Thanks for doing this!

Pad x = 385 back of pad
Pad y = 720

From a bike fit for my first tt bike.

188cm tall
81cm inseam if that helps

Thanks

i recommend you do not attempt to buy a bike to fit those coordinates. at least not yet. i want to see your position first. and then let’s have a “fit negotiation”. then we’ll talk about a bike that matches your coordinates.

Thanks for your reply. Are those values pretty out there? Unfortunately I don’t currently have a picture to hand from the fit, and this is for my first tt bike so no current position picture either. Obviously it’s not the same but I ride a regular 58cm frame road bike that’s stock except for the saddle without issues. Should a tt bike require that much modification? Sorry I’m new to this as I’m sure you can tell.

385mm to back of pad is, for profile design, 425 to pad center. so, you’re 720mm x 425mm to pad center, and here’s how people tend to be positioned, if you place those coordinates on a cartesian graph.there’s a slope, roughly, and if you pick a point on the small end, say, 575mm x 430mm, and on the large end, maybe 675mm x 550mm, and you draw a line between them, that’s the center of the slope. as you vary from that slope you vary from the norm and, in this case, the norm is represented by pro males (red squares).

if you’re going to vary, then, why? because you’re not a pro. okay. how much variance does that earn? because i’m long leg short torso, or the other way around. because i don’t stipulate to the norm, and i think the cockpit should be longer, pads further in front. okay. but that’s not you.

there’s one person among all slowtwitchers - i don’t know who - that has a pad xy roughly similar to yours. it’s the blue triangle at the far upper left of the chart.

if you’re going to be set up that way, okay, but, why? if i was going to drop a lot of coin on a nice new tri bike, i’d want to answer that question. if you can successfully answer it, you’re satisfied with it, fine. just, what ian is going to do is precisely, mathematically, match a bike to fit underneath your pads. i recommend you make sure that’s where your pads ought to be, first.

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Here’s one:
Rider:
1,64m female, but short legs at 72cm inseam (63cm saddle height on her road bike).
Is she too short for a size XS Women’s Speedmax ?
On the website it says 67cm minimum…

Louis :slight_smile:

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Thanks for offering this. I’m looking at a Canyon CF SLX (trading out of a 51cm Cervelo P3 with 165mm cranks).

Below are my metrics. The online calculator suggested a small frame but a local fitter suggested medium so I wanted another opinion.

Height 5’ 7"
Weight 130lbs
Inseam 33"
Torso 27"
Shoulder width 17"
Arm length 25"

Pad Y = 545mm
Pad X = 470mm

Caveat, I measured everything solo so the metrics are likely not as clean as they could be but hopefully they are close!