Thanks
Pulling info straight from my retul report
Arm pad stack…bb to top of pad 638
Arm pad reach horizontal from bb to back of pad 408
This is a felt ia frd in a size 54.
TK17,
You could go one of four ways here. Let me work them outloud and then I’ll give you my opinion on the best bet…
Option 1) a Medium with a flat bar, short stem and the max in spacers (a single 60mm and a single 20mm)
Option 2) a Medium with a rise bar, short stem and two 20mm spacers + three 5mm spacers.
-----keep in mind that those two options result in a Pad Y of 650 - 2mm lower than your number. The next Pad Y is 655 - 3mm higher than your number and then the Medium would have to have the rise bar with a single 60mm spacer under the aerobars. Also, in terms of Pad X - you’re right on the edge of this set up: either pads back all the way on the standard mounts (yeilds a Pad X of 489 - 5mm longer then your number or use the TSP and push pads nearly all the way forward on those and I think you can get within 2mm of your 484
Option 3) a Large with a short stem, flat bar and two 20mm spacers + a single 5mm spacer. This gives you the 650 Pad Y.
Options 4) a Large with a short stem, rise bar and a single 20mm spacers - again, 650
…if you wanted to error up on the Pad Y in size Large then it would be 2x20mm spacers + 2x 5mm spacers for flat bar…or…1x20 + 1x5 for rise bar. And, in terms of the cockpit distance if you use the TSP with pads all the way forward you get 484 on the nose. If you forgo the TSP and mount the pads all the way back you’ll have a Pad X of 511
Now…which is best…hmmmm… Go with the Large, the flat bar because it comes stock. Add 45mm of spacer so you are on the bigger bike with longer front center. It’ll give you some room to move if need be.
Ian
anthonypat,
It pains me to type this but I think the Canyon Speedmax is a bit long for your 418 (translated to an estimated center of Pad X). I need to do some digging on the CF but even the new, 2019 CF SLX (which has greater range) bottoms out at 426 (the 2018 shortest is 439). I’ll keep digging and if something changes I’ll get back to you.
I’m curious on your report - is there a seat set back listed and what kind of saddle are you using?
Ian
A speedmax is my dream bike but never been sure if I could make it work with my height.
realbdeal,
Good video thanks for including. You could fit on all three sizes of the Speedmax, here we go…
If you rode a size Small - long stem on the rise bar with a single 60mm spacer + three 5mm spacers. Its’ nearly the max
If you rode a size Medium - short stem on the flat bar with a single 60mm spacer + three 5mm spacers, pads a bit forward
…or…a size Medium - short stem, on the rise bar with two 20mm spacers + a single 5mm spacer, pads a bit forward
If you rode a size Large - short stem, on the flat bar with a single 20mm spacer + three 5mm spacers, pads back the max
I’d do the Large - the Medium would work but with 75mm of spacer on the flat bar you’re nearly at the max of the 80mm spacers and I’d want you to have the range to reduce your rather dramatic (~150mm???) arm pad drop. You could always acquired the rise bar and gain some space, but I still like the Large better.
Ian
anthonypat,
It pains me to type this but I think the Canyon Speedmax is a bit long for your 418 (translated to an estimated center of Pad X). I need to do some digging on the CF but even the new, 2019 CF SLX (which has greater range) bottoms out at 426 (the 2018 shortest is 439). I’ll keep digging and if something changes I’ll get back to you.
I’m curious on your report - is there a seat set back listed and what kind of saddle are you using?
Ian
Yes, saddle setback -21 (ISM 3.1)
Pad reach for. Tip of ISM to back of pad is 429
Thanks Ian!
Ian, thank you for taking the time to answer everyone’s fit questions regarding the Canyon tri bikes. My current tri bike is a Scott Plasma 20 (2013, size 54), and I’d love to get a Canyon based in how much I love my Ultimate CF SL. I’m worried one won’t fit me, though, based on your recent post. My Retul report from 2016 lists my stack as 656, my reach as 436, and my saddle setback as -24. Would a Canyon fit me? Thanks!
I’d love to get a Canyon based in how much I love my Ultimate CF SL
FFigawi,
Some bikes are built to be a bit long & low and some bikes are built to be a bit short & tall. A rider who needs a short/tall bike can achieve a great position and can be fast - it’s not about what the bike is, it’s about how right each person can be fit on that bike. Your current bike is something of a short/tall bike and the Canyon is something of a longer/lower bike. Because of that you’d have to get into quite a corner on the Canyon to make it work. If you got a Canyon Speedmax in a size Small and set up the front end with these specs: short stem, rise bar, the TSP, a single 60mm spacer + a single 20mm spacer it would result in a Pad Y of 645 - that’s 20mm lower than your current position. The Medium Speedmax will get to your Pad Y number but then the bike is too long for you. Even with the pads all the way back and the TSP the Pad X on the Small is 439 and that might be within tolerances at 3mm off.
Ian
Option 3) a Large with a short stem, flat bar and two 20mm spacers + a single 5mm spacer. This gives you the 650 Pad Y.
Options 4) a Large with a short stem, rise bar and a single 20mm spacers - again, 650
I think it would be good to add extension and pad width to your list of required measurements. I keep getting different spacer numbers to you and I think it’s because I include the switch plate and TSP to get the Z elements - which then has an impact on Y.
Working on the monopost calculations this week.
Ian,
I really appreciate you taking the time to do this for everyone!
Pad stack: 584 (to center)
Pad reach: 508 (to center)
FWIW, I ride a Felt DA in a 56 and a Cervelo P5 in a 51 in the exact same position. Looking forward to hearing what you recommend for the CF SLX!
I think it would be good to add extension and pad width to your list of required measurements
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I dealing with quite a few PMs that don’t even have their Pad X/Y. I’m worried asking for more data will confuse the issue. I take solace that when the customer opens their box all the pieces will be there to allow for options. I want them to order the right size first and foremost. I’ll keep on the engineers and see if I can tighten my suggestions.
Working on the monopost calculations this week.
I’ll be eager to hear. I was just sent the prescriber for that new bike but I only spent 10min with it in Kona so I don’t know if the numbers I have a perfect.
Ian
Just noticed there was a typo on my side so my X is really 486 (Y stays the same 635). I don’t think it makes any difference but just in case… sorry about my mistake!
Mdiaz,
That typo doesn’t change much - same size, same base bar, same stem - you’ll just move the pads forward 3 holes (I think, it’s 3) but I know the length is in there for that stem on that bike.
When it comes to the bar and having the 2019 model the spacers in the middle (not affecting the height as far as I know) what would be my advantage having them on my Set-up versus the flat one?..just trying to understand.
I need to understand this too. I’ve only seen one of those new bikes at Kona briefly and wasn’t able to measure it, inspect it, etc. I’ll reach out the engineers in Germany and get more info on the new front-end next week.
Ian
Once again, thank you!
Ian,
How can I get my Y-635 with an S, if Canyon states that its max arm pad stack is 622?..assuming that with the 2019 model, changing the bar won’t affect to the Y, I honestly don’t see it.
Thank you again.
Ian,
I really appreciate you taking the time to do this for everyone!
22kjackson,
There’s two ways go and I have a strong opinion on which one you should do…
- Small frame, Long Stem, Flat Bar with two 20mm spacers under the pads, and those pads pushed forward one hole shy of all the way.
- Medium frame, Short Stem, Flat Bar with three 5mm spacers under the pads, and again, and those pads pushed forward one hole shy of all the way.
I think you, and pretty much everybody, should go with the option that causes the fewest aftermarket purchases. As of late all the bikes in the US arrive with a flat base bar and, I suspect, two 20mm spacers and three 5mm spacers and all the hardware (read: bolts) to make all combinations of that to work.
This is one of the reason I’m spec’ing the flat bar. The flat bar comes standard, if you want the rise bar or the drop bar then you have to make that purchase (you could make M+drop bar or S+rise bar work). BTW, I don’t think it’ll be like that for long. I think there’s a time in the near future when you click the ‘buy’ button and then you are contacted asking - “what do you want, flat bar, rise bar, what?”. For now I’m advising what comes spec’d unless is extreme. So, for you - both of those set ups are GREAT! I would want you to call Canyon at 833-226-9611 and ask: “Hey, I’m about to pull the trigger on a Speedmax SLX how long is the stem that comes stock on the Medium and how long is the stem that comes stock on the large?” and buy based on that answer alone.
Ian
Fishbum,
580 is long. If that’s a typo LMK, if it’s correct than you’re good for a Canyon Speedmax size large with the long stem (85mm) + the TSP (Team Switch Plate) in the forward position. That’s to satisfy your 580 of Pad Reach. Then for your Pad Stack of 635 you’d use the flat base bar with a single 20mm spacer + three 5mm spacers. You could also do the drop base bar with two 20mm spacers or the rise base bar with a single 5mm spacer but I think flat bar is a better choice.
Ian
Now that the SLX has the pad spacers on the stem within the hydration like Jan’s, how come the drop bar still lowers pad stack?
Ian,
Thanks for the reply. My saddle height currently is 825, I’m 184 tall with 90 inseam.
John
Now that the SLX has the pad spacers on the stem within the hydration like Jan’s, how come the drop bar still lowers pad stack?
BigBoyND, excellent question. I’m still quoting the 2018 bike with two separate towers. I have the coordinates for the new 2019 mono-spacer of which you speak but I want more time with that bike to confirm the numbers.
Ian
How can I get my Y-635 with an S, if Canyon states that its max arm pad stack is 622?..assuming that with the 2019 model, changing the bar won’t affect to the Y, I honestly don’t see it.
Mdiaz,
You’re 100% right. Max Pad Y on the new bike, size small is 622. I was quoting the current, 2018 bike which can get near 645 in the small. For you to get your 635/486 on the 2019 bike it’ll have to be a Medium, with the short stem. I want to be able to deliver on the details of bar shape (2019 only offers flat and rise) and the amount of spacers but I don’t have it exact yet. I should know more next week.
Ian
Looking at the EU site (2019 bikes) vs US (2018 bikes), it seems the coordinates have changed a lot.
2018 Size L
Stack: 628-681 mm
Reach: 498-572 mm
2019 Size L
Stack: 566-684 mm
Reach: 484-558 mm
So the 2019 can get 60mm lower? How is it so different?
bigleaguechu,
For the new SLX, the 2019, the one with the mono spacer under the aerobars you have to be on a size large to get your Pad Y of 665 - but I can’t yet say exactly how many spacers you’ll need - I should know that in the near future. To get your Pad X of 475 on that bike you’ll need the short stem for sure and you’ll need the TSP to pull the pads back a bit more.
For the 2018 SLX - you know, the one that’s won the last four Ironman World Championships 
- on that bike it now has to be a Medium, with a short stem and then you’ll need two aftermarket items (by this I mean, bits that Canyon makes but don’t come stock on the bike currently): Rise bar, one 60mm spacer + two 5mm spacers (the 5mm spacer are stock), and the TSP (Team Switch Plate).
Ian
Could use some help. Don’t have a great idea of my TT bike fit as I currently ride an old Felt that was given to me for free and is definitely too small. I am a road racer that wants to step up my TT game during stage races. Can you help me get on the right size frame so that I can get in the right ballpark and start dialing in my fit? Here are my measurements from my latest Retul fit. Bike is a 61 cm Specialized Allez Sprint.
Saddle Height: 839mm
Saddle Setback: -111mm
Handlebar reach: 645mm
Handlebar drop: -119 mm
Grip Reach: 766 mm
Grip Drop: -113 mm
Grip Width: 435mm
BB to Grip Width: 435mm
BB to Grop Reach: 655 mm
Handlebar stack: 668 mm
Handlebar reach: 534 mm
Appreciate any guidance you can provide!
Hey Ian, Great post. Maybe you can help. I’m looking for a Speedmax CF SLX. This would be my 1st Tri bike. I’m doing 70.3’s and Olympic distance with a Specialized Venge… I’m 5’9" and 3/4 , about 177cm. My inseem is 87cm. I’ve take all my measurement asked on Canyon’s web site. It suggest a Small size in CF SLX. Not sure it’s the right size? Thanks for helping.