I plan on running a 3:45 ish marathon at an up coming Ironman, worth wearing the Vaporflys?
Not sure they will help when I am deep in the IM run shuffle and or might stink to walk in if I have to.
Just wear normal runners?
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It depends on whether you need something supportive or not. If you find them comfortable, and your legs can handle them, wear them!
At your pace, you’re not going to get the full “oomph” from the plate/foam, but the shoes are also lightweight which will always be beneficial over heavier daily trainers.
Personally, I am going with the saucony endorphin speed. Planning on a 3:30. The lightweight enough and the rolling forward motion/feel is more important to me than the carbon plate propulsion at these speeds. I look at it this way, If i went out to run 26 miles at 8 min pace right now, I would not wear my carbon racers.
To me that sounds the same as saying, I plan on biking 6 hours 30 minutes for the ironman bike so should I just ride my roadie instead of my tri bike with a disc. I would always race in/on what is the fastest. PERIOD.
Yes…best $250 that you will spend.
To me that sounds the same as saying, I plan on biking 6 hours 30 minutes for the ironman bike so should I just ride my roadie instead of my tri bike with a disc. I would always race in/on what is the fastest. PERIOD.
I absolutely get what you’re saying, but it’s not the same.
As I said in my first sentence, if his legs can handle it, sure, those are absolutely the shoes he should wear. But those shoes aren’t meant for running 8:30 miles comfortably. For me, not OP, my feet and ankles would not hold up well running in those shoes at that pace.
Running sub-7 miles in an open marathon? No brainer.
As someone who has put everyone from elite/world class runners to your 15 min mile 5k person into shoes, wear the shoes that you think will be most comfy late in the race.
The carbon plate in these shoes is more for shoe stability not propulsion. Without that plate a lot of these shoes would be all over the place.
The magic is in the foam, more specifically the PEBAX foam that Saucony & Nike uses.
I’m guessing you’re talking about wearing the Zoom X Tempo next %. If so that shoe has some of the special zoom X foam in it and may be a good tweener shoe between full on Next % and something that doesn’t have a % or special foams in it.
Thanks all. The shoes I have are two year old Vaporfly Next %. I think is what they are called. I cant keep up with their constant name updates.
To me that sounds the same as saying, I plan on biking 6 hours 30 minutes for the ironman bike so should I just ride my roadie instead of my tri bike with a disc. I would always race in/on what is the fastest. PERIOD.
I absolutely get what you’re saying, but it’s not the same.
As I said in my first sentence, if his legs can handle it, sure, those are absolutely the shoes he should wear. But those shoes aren’t meant for running 8:30 miles comfortably. For me, not OP, my feet and ankles would not hold up well running in those shoes at that pace.
Running sub-7 miles in an open marathon? No brainer.
Says who? I have seen this on Slowtwitch so many times but I haven’t seen it personally. I guess it’s a good way to dissuade people from racing in the fastest shoe. I have the Alphafly and the Next % and at speed they are wonderful shoes but I guess luckily for me, when I do run 8:30s they are just as comfortable as they are at sub 7. Perhaps I am one of the few that they are just amazing at all speeds. If I planned to walk a marathon I would still wear them. YMMV
Thanks all. The shoes I have are two year old Vaporfly Next %. I think is what they are called. I cant keep up with their constant name updates.
To quote Indiana Jones…“Its not the age its the mileage”. After about 100-150ish miles the foam breaks down and you lose the bounce/pop. If that is not a problem then wear them.
I did a 70.3 a few years back in the first gen Zoom Fly Flyknits, and I was astounded by how much the knitting held on to the water I would pour on my body and down legs ending up on the shoes. Not only was it very heavy but they got hot (coming from someone who always has cold feet)
I did a 70.3 a few years back in the first gen Zoom Fly Flyknits, and I was astounded by how much the knitting held on to the water I would pour on my body and down legs ending up on the shoes. Not only was it very heavy but they got hot (coming from someone who always has cold feet)
Those are Zoom Fly Flyknits 2. I think they fixed the material with the Vaporweave in the ZF3s. I really liked both of those shoes, but the ZF3s have been the best trainers I’ve ever worn.
Thanks all. The shoes I have are two year old Vaporfly Next %. I think is what they are called. I cant keep up with their constant name updates.
I’m not a big fan of the lacing system on these. I can just slip on and off the Alphaflys and think it is a better shoe if you’re thinking about getting new race shoes.
Thanks all. The shoes I have are two year old Vaporfly Next %. I think is what they are called. I cant keep up with their constant name updates.
I’m not a big fan of the lacing system on these. I can just slip on and off the Alphaflys and think it is a better shoe if you’re thinking about getting new race shoes.
Interesting - I just started my 60 day trial of Alphafly Next % . . . . there seems to be more toe volume and on a first run - 10 miles in heat and high humidity - they seemed to slosh when wet. I did IM Choo in the Vaporfly Next % in real hot humid weather and they seemed to do just fine even at my slow pace. Does the toe volume bother you at all? Any other insight on the difference between the two models?
Thank you,
Thanks all. The shoes I have are two year old Vaporfly Next %. I think is what they are called. I cant keep up with their constant name updates.
I’m not a big fan of the lacing system on these. I can just slip on and off the Alphaflys and think it is a better shoe if you’re thinking about getting new race shoes.
Nike Vaporfly NEXT%2 By You has an option for the knit & toggle (elastic laces). But they are all sold out for their custom program (lack of materials) they told me. I got the AF for that upper Atomknit but after wearing them, I like the VF better–they feel more responsive and agile out on the course and especially notice it on the uphills…just feels better, with a 8 mm drop vs AF’s 4 mm. The downhills are more enjoyable on the AF due to them being wider. So there is that…it’s a toss up as to what you want in your shoe.
Thanks all. The shoes I have are two year old Vaporfly Next %. I think is what they are called. I cant keep up with their constant name updates.
I’m not a big fan of the lacing system on these. I can just slip on and off the Alphaflys and think it is a better shoe if you’re thinking about getting new race shoes.
Interesting - I just started my 60 day trial of Alphafly Next % . . . . there seems to be more toe volume and on a first run - 10 miles in heat and high humidity - they seemed to slosh when wet. I did IM Choo in the Vaporfly Next % in real hot humid weather and they seemed to do just fine even at my slow pace. Does the toe volume bother you at all? Any other insight on the difference between the two models?
Thank you,
Yes the toe box is an issue for me on the Vaporfly Next% - I have them in 11.5 and should be 12.0. On the Alphaflys 11.5 is perfect and I’m in 11.5 on the ZF3 too.
Thanks all. The shoes I have are two year old Vaporfly Next %. I think is what they are called. I cant keep up with their constant name updates.
To quote Indiana Jones…“Its not the age its the mileage”. After about 100-150ish miles the foam breaks down and you lose the bounce/pop. If that is not a problem then wear them.
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Thanks all. The shoes I have are two year old Vaporfly Next %. I think is what they are called. I cant keep up with their constant name updates.
I’m not a big fan of the lacing system on these. I can just slip on and off the Alphaflys and think it is a better shoe if you’re thinking about getting new race shoes.
I prefer the next% over the AF. If you already have a pair of next% and like them I would stick with those.
Is there a run special needs? If so, consider starting in the ZoomXs and having a more tried and tested shoe (for you) in the SN bag.
FWIW, I’ve done 8:30-9:00 min/mi runs is Endorphin Speeds and they are still faster/easier than my Nike Reacts even at Z2 training pace. They are built to run fast in, but there doesn’t seem to be a speed below which they aren’t “activated.”
Thanks all. The shoes I have are two year old Vaporfly Next %. I think is what they are called. I cant keep up with their constant name updates.
I’m not a big fan of the lacing system on these. I can just slip on and off the Alphaflys and think it is a better shoe if you’re thinking about getting new race shoes.
I prefer the next% over the AF. If you already have a pair of next% and like them I would stick with those.
I have the AlphaFlys and Vaporflys - I prefer the Alphaflys overall - the Vaporfly Next% don’t fit me that well and I have to wear absurdly thin socks and take a minute to lace up.
Is there a run special needs? If so, consider starting in the ZoomXs and having a more tried and tested shoe (for you) in the SN bag.
FWIW, I’ve done 8:30-9:00 min/mi runs is Endorphin Speeds and they are still faster/easier than my Nike Reacts even at Z2 training pace. They are built to run fast in, but there doesn’t seem to be a speed below which they aren’t “activated.”
If I’m not mistaken you don’t get your run special need bag back so that would be expensive.