Yes, the tech for sure helps. I would be willing to bet that Nick Bare is an excellent responder to plated shoes. Same thing with Ken Rideout, another local influencer/athlete.
I wonder what Ryan Hall could run a marathon in today. Heās pretty jacked now, but he built up to that from a tiny runnerās body. He lifts a ton these days, but itās incredibly hard to maintain Bareās physique and put in marathon training volumes. It can be done, but not for the years heās done it without his wife dealing with the crankiness. Heās effectively living on a perpetual cut diet and if he misses his macros heās kinda screwed.
cool things about those they are so quick to insult and dismiss. There are some amazing people here with great stories to tell but you wouldnāt know that these days.
A little about Monty hereā¦and that only scratches the surface.
The first Kona Ironman: A retrospective blog (Part I) - Slowtwitch.com
The first Kona Ironman: A retrospective blog (Part II) - Slowtwitch.com
The first Kona Ironman: A retrospective blog (Part III) - Slowtwitch.com
being this is ST I wouldnt doubt much of his endurance featsā¦ its the strength ones into question, and if can be done at the same time that the endurance ones are occurring.
Came across this thread and for the life of me, do not understand all the hoopla around some age grouper who is not even at the pointy end? Nothing against the guy, he is one of those self promoters who is trying to find a lucrative niche in sports, and selling things. But it looks to me like he is just a good athlete(maybe doped, maybe not) but well below the usual folks we start threads about on here.
I suppose if Hulk Hogan ran a 2;40 marathon I would take notice, but he aint no Hulk. Dozens of AGāers in our sport that wipe the floor with this dude, and virtually anonymous here. Once in awhile one breaks through with a ārealā top performance, and those are fun to banter in and recognize for their top achievements. But a self promoting MOP athlete, just dont get itā¦
Thatās totally fine that you donāt get it, no judgement from me.
But to explain it from my side as well as others who are like-minded, I suppose we are interested in it since he has excelled in another athletic area that is polar opposite to triathlon and marathons and succeeds at what heās put his mind to. He does videos that many in the younger generations think are inspirational and entertaining. Also, for many of us who are bigger and more muscular than the average runner he resonates with us.
Thatās about it I suppose, not rocket science and definitely not saying your take on it is wrong. Itās right for you.
Video going over his blood test result.
Results showed T level over 50% lower than the low range + liver & enzyme scores werenāt included. Heās on PEDs. Iām not impressed with people who cheat at any level of the sport. He is taking away from clean athletes. Heās taking a Boston slot. In triathlon he could take a Worlds slot. There are too many age groupers shrugging this stuff off, while doing similar things. If you cheat, you cheat. Idc if youāre not a pro if youāre taking an AG slot while doping you shouldnāt be competing.
I think the āold schoolā mentality is party what is killing our sport with this desire to ONLY be a triathlete. Todayās world of instant everything and shortened attention spans has led people to be less focused on one certain activity and more likely to jump back and forth between varying endeavors. This old school mindset can be pretty off putting to people who want to experience a bunch of different things, check things off their bucket list & move to the next. Some can even still do those things at a high level. For some this means doing similar but different activities to triathlon (i.e. gravel riding) and for others it could be pretty different types of activities (i.e. bodybuilding). The 2 trains of thought probably arenāt going to ever see eye to eye but that doesnāt mean one is more correct than the other. Definitely an agree to disagree situation.
I would push back on 1 thought though. Triathlon by itās very nature is not an āinstant gratificiationā sport. You canāt on a Tuesday decide to do a triathlon on a Saturday like almost any other endurance adventure (for the most part). And Iād venture to say that type of mindset is what is actually feeding into the ācatering to the worst prepared athleteā that we see continue to erode at the actual S B R of our sport.
So I think as long as their is a healthy respect for the actual demands of your sport and you can do that and any other adventures, more power to you. But if your suggesting that you should be able to do anything you want to fulfill your instant gratification, just skip on over triathlon. Thatās likely the worst mindset to getting into triathlon imo. ETA: Thereās a min training you must do in order to simply make sure your safe and fit enough to even make it through the event; that isnāt there in many other endurance sports. So if that is respected, great, if itās not; then I would think that missing out on the new trend in society; I think Iād be ok with that; at some point you canāt fake it. You have to respect the sport of triathlon to a min level.
well that is how the sport of tri started outā¦ a fringe sport where sport specific athletes tend to look down on triathletes. the triathlon specifity started maybe 10 - 15 years ago.
We need to be aware with athletes like this, the performances are amazing and inspiring . But someone trying to copy these modern fit-fluencers will bury themselves. I know I did.
For some this means doing similar but different activities to triathlon (i.e. gravel riding) and for others it could be pretty different types of activities (i.e. bodybuilding). The 2 trains of thought probably arenāt going to ever see eye to eye but that doesnāt mean one is more correct than the other. Definitely an agree to disagree situation.//
This whole tread feels like a game of telephone to me, each person reads something and then passes it along, although with the content slightly changed and the original message is completely distorted. So back to the original call, I didnt diss Nick personally in any way, and think it is great he is doing a lot of different things in the fitness arena. That is exactly what I did back in my day, probably did over a dozen different sports while I was a pro triathlete. I applaud folks that branch out and are not so narrowly focused. My only point was why put him up on the pedestal? I have gotten some reasons from many of you as to why you do, and I now have a clearer picture of the why.
Yes Iām an old curmudgeon sometimes, dont do the social media thing, and just wanted an some thoughts on what was so amazing. And I got those, for and against, and Iām now better informed. Thatās all, I hope we can end this telephone game and move onā¦
Video going over his blood test result.
Results showed T level over 50% lower than the low range + liver & enzyme scores werenāt included. Heās on PEDs. Iām not impressed with people who cheat at any level of the sport. He is taking away from clean athletes. Heās taking a Boston slot. In triathlon he could take a Worlds slot. There are too many age groupers shrugging this stuff off, while doing similar things. If you cheat, you cheat. Idc if youāre not a pro if youāre taking an AG slot while doping you shouldnāt be competing.
woof. would be interested in a more plates more dates analysis as well.
He interesting to people because he gives them an insight into his story and how he gets to where he is. Thatās the point of him being on social media and why he started doing it.
I donāt know your story. To me, youāre just Monty who posts on Slowtwitch & thatās the extent of what I know and have nothing further to discuss or elaborate on. This thread started to discuss a social media influencer and if youāre not on social media, Iām not really understanding why youāve weighed in so much on something/one youāre so unfamiliar with (although in typical triathlete fashion, youāve brought it back to yourself quite often).
Maybe thereās a historical account of your past exploits somewhere on ST that Iād find interesting. Iād probably find it easier if it were on YouTube though and it popped up as a suggested watch.
He interesting to people because he gives them an insight into his story and how he gets to where he is. Thatās the point of him being on social media and why he started doing it.
I donāt know your story. To me, youāre just Monty who posts on Slowtwitch & thatās the extent of what I know and have nothing further to discuss or elaborate on. This thread started to discuss a social media influencer and if youāre not on social media, Iām not really understanding why youāve weighed in so much on something/one youāre so unfamiliar with (although in typical triathlete fashion, youāve brought it back to yourself quite often).
Maybe thereās a historical account of your past exploits somewhere on ST that Iād find interesting. Iād probably find it easier if it were on YouTube though and it popped up as a suggested watch.
https://www.openwaterpedia.com/wiki/Mark_Montgomery
Monty knows a thing or two about high performance.
Nick is a Body Building multisport dabbler. Monty and others on here are triathlon originals who in some way shaped the sport we enjoy today.
It doesnāt take much effort to read about Monty and others (accepting ST search function is one of the worst in history).
Nick is interesting insofar as he is interesting enough to do in the collective heads of Lets Run and ST, who donāt like that he can run faster than them while not being a stick insect. His last listed weight is 90 Kg and it looks like at times he got a bit lighter for the running he did. He is 5 10 so definitely on the bulky side. This immediatley goes to he is a Doper.
I donāt know if he is or isnāt, Monty points out that while the time is good itās not elite, itās very good. There are triathletes who have been muscular and in that ball park. Jason Shortis is the most obvious who looked a lot like Nick before there was Nick and could run.
There is an old thread here:
https://forum.slowtwitch.com/...2big"_pros_P55559/ Where there are outright IM winners weighing 190 Garett Mcfadyen is one. In terms of World Champs, Spencer Smith looked pretty ripped in the day as well.
Ain Alar Juhanson won IM Lanza twice at 95 Kg
https://www.slowtwitch.com/Interview/Bulldog_takes_a_bite_of_destiny_3489.html
5 feet 7 around 80 Kg when he started back in and did a 2:47 open marathon, but got into the high 70ās for tris
Itās not a stretch to say a young guy in the high 80 kg could run well while having a chislled physique. Could he be on the gear, sure, but ripped guys have been going fast in triathlon in the past. There are less of them now as people worked out that being ripped and hammering the weights was not going to help much in the 23x IM marathon era.
height matters when talking about weights of people. for instance that hockey player 6ā9" at 235lb who just did clash daytona maybe considered under weight
Huge gains besides the obvious ability to train more/recover maintain muscle mass, it pumps your muscles chock a block full of glycogenā¦Check out guys who get on the gear, their weight goes up dramatically in a matter of weeks-some of it is of course muscle but a lot of it is increased glycogen and water retention. Thats why when they go off they shrink quite a bit.
Spot on. A friend of mine is a pretty big deal in combat sport, heās trained some world champions. Says you can tell right away whoās on the stuff as their ability to recover from the hardest work goes through the roof. You can train a 40 year old like an 18 year old and he just comes back wanting more the next day. Stuff that would have buried him a month earlier. And because of that, they can get so much more out of a training cycle/camp.
Also, no such thing as a stupid Q in this space. No idea what this guy is doing, but if people are using, that has a huge impact on results. Folks out there trying to set expectations/goals really need to be aware.
Bare posted a video saying he pretty much was fully recovered from the marathon immediately after, and could have gone for a run the next day. Any guesses what cycle heās on?
Nick should sponsor a clydesdale IM world championship. I submit my qualifying time of 10:46 at 200lbs at IM Chattanooga for consideration 
Running is tough for bigger fellas. Massive props to Nick for this result and I really hope he does another ironman.
Iād be very surprised if thereās a bigger stronger guy that can run a faster marathon than nick.
Unfortunately, you are not in the clydesdale division. Clydesdale starts at 220lbs. I always thought the weights between Athena and Clydesdale werenāt fair comparisons to each other.
https://www.triathlete.com/events/usat-announces-inaugural-clydesdale-athena-nationals/
Ah, 10-4. They need a light heavyweight addition.
Generally I live between 195-205ā¦so I was never heavy enough for the local clydesdale division. The guys who always got first were absolute machines though.