Nick Bare goes 11:28 @ IMFL in first IM with no background in swimming or biking

Why is this even a thing?

I ran 10:40, twice in a row, at my very last PR test. Big whoop. It’s no reflection on me, just genetic. Random luck.

Second and third, given that this is the year of our lord 2020, anything anyone like this guy says should be taken with a huge lump of salt, or just disbelieved outright. Those who know know exactly what kind of gear IG influencers are on and we all know what’s going on at the Ranger and Infantry and Cavalry gyms… it’s all there in plain sight of you know what to look for.

Finally, either he’s genetically gifted, in which case good for him, genetics, or he’s the only one of his anabolic influencer friends who had discovered blood vectors, in which case also good for him, influencers gonna influence.

Unrealistic body image BS is so insidious. Enough.

There’s nothing special, don’t feed the machine. Instagram unrealistic body image supplement complex.

He is, admittedly, a freak of nature.

Congratulations on your incredible sperm.

Imagine what Slowtwitch would have been like when Armstrong landed on the moon… “its really not that special, I know a guy who flew to Mars on a hang glider, and held his breath the whole way”…

Why do people think triathletes are so elitist and pretentious???

This thread. This freaking thread right here is why no one wants to start this sport. Bunch of pointy end assholes tearing down someone down for no reason other than they can.

Alternate take: Given that you can get T from any random doctor and given what’s going on in masters amateur sport of late, not to mention the depth of talent historically on this forum, maybe Instagram influencers can go somewhere else with their unrealistic influencing?

It’s not surprising someone like him would short a 5k and call it a PB
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Imagine what Slowtwitch would have been like when Armstrong landed on the moon… “its really not that special, I know a guy who flew to Mars on a hang glider, and held his breath the whole way”…

My point wasn’t that it wasn’t impressive. I was always impressed by what some of my guys and guys like him could do. My only point is there are a lot more guys like him in Army. That’s why I called him a freak, he’s exactly the type of guy physically and genetically the Army needs in leadership. But he chose to be entrepreneur which is cool too.

Leadership?!?! That’s laughable. They’re completely unrelated.

Alternate take: Given that you can get T from any random doctor and given what’s going on in masters amateur sport of late, not to mention the depth of talent historically on this forum, maybe Instagram influencers can go somewhere else with their unrealistic influencing?

Must have missed the part where Bare posted here.

Imagine what Slowtwitch would have been like when Armstrong landed on the moon… “its really not that special, I know a guy who flew to Mars on a hang glider, and held his breath the whole way”…

My point wasn’t that it wasn’t impressive. I was always impressed by what some of my guys and guys like him could do. My only point is there are a lot more guys like him in Army. That’s why I called him a freak, he’s exactly the type of guy physically and genetically the Army needs in leadership. But he chose to be entrepreneur which is cool too.

Leadership?!?! That’s laughable. They’re completely unrelated.

Although true, not the overall point.

Dude ran a 5:3x all-out mile a few weeks ago at 200+ lbs bodyweight on the track, it’s on youtube.

He did a mile yesterday in 4:53 at 194lbs.

https://www.youtube.com/…;feature=emb_rel_end

Given how muscular he is, I think it is pretty impressive. It looks like he did it in a pair of pink Next%.

194 is not that heavy. My son ran a 4:28 1500m (~4:49 mile) at 230 lbs at the end of a decathlon without doing any distance training. I would think a guy 36 lbs lighter doing distance training could run under 5.

i think the point is more that nick bare is new to endurance training, period.

but watching him run, he actually looks pretty good. nice turnover, good recovery and knee drive.

https://youtu.be/RnMcye_KcWI

Some guys get ALL the genetic breaks. A bike racing buddy played O line college football (granted he was small for it), is an FBI agent & was on SWAT team and a hostage negotiator, did 10 hours at IMLP, holds a 40k ITT national record, and won a geezer ITT world championship. I’m happy to get out of bed without falling on my face.

Alternate take: Given that you can get T from any random doctor and given what’s going on in masters amateur sport of late, not to mention the depth of talent historically on this forum, maybe Instagram influencers can go somewhere else with their unrealistic influencing?

Must have missed the part where Bare posted here.

You must not understand “influence”
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Imagine what Slowtwitch would have been like when Armstrong landed on the moon… “its really not that special, I know a guy who flew to Mars on a hang glider, and held his breath the whole way”…

My point wasn’t that it wasn’t impressive. I was always impressed by what some of my guys and guys like him could do. My only point is there are a lot more guys like him in Army. That’s why I called him a freak, he’s exactly the type of guy physically and genetically the Army needs in leadership. But he chose to be entrepreneur which is cool too.

Leadership?!?! That’s laughable. They’re completely unrelated.

Although true, not the overall point.

Dude we were sold a shit sandwich. The “fitness” they tried to cram down our throats in the 90s and 2000s was laughable, and as we now know because we have been exposed to the outside world they weren’t even that fit in the first place. Kids coming back from downrange in the 2010s were all jacked and swole from 8hrs sleep most nights and no PT and no formations. Even for the actually fit people, the ones you and I are thinking about, zero correlation between Big Army fighting and being some sort of exercise fit.

I’d imagine fitness is thru the roof right now though with the Coronavirus lockdown and PT on your own.

No, he has YEARS of endurance training, specifically Running.

No, he has YEARS of endurance training, specifically Running.

well his solid run form makes sense then.

Some guys get ALL the genetic breaks. A bike racing buddy played O line college football (granted he was small for it), is an FBI agent & was on SWAT team and a hostage negotiator, did 10 hours at IMLP, holds a 40k ITT national record, and won a geezer ITT world championship. I’m happy to get out of bed without falling on my face.

I think the trick is to be lucky enough to be exposed to someone like that so you can gain perspective. As mentioned up thread there are “freaks” in the Army that are visible to all and you might think that’s as good as it gets but then you meet someone completely unassuming and anonymous that is competing at an elite level in some hobby or doing things way beyond what all the braggarts in your circle are doing and then you realize what’s really out there and what “talent” really is.

My favorite anecdote about this sort of thing is triennial rising from the couch my Cat 1 buddy does… he’s old and out of shape and haggard and brittle and slowly but surely knocks the rust off and posts the Velodyne workout files. He starts at 320w at 155lb, something that took me a lifetime of training to get to and makes me pretty OK on a bicycle. That’s his floor. The watts keep going up or the 320w keeps getting extended out and pretty soon he’s back to “normal”. Once he gets there he goes back to the couch for another three years.

And that’s just a single skill guy, not some athletic polymath.

I’ve met a former D1 O-line guy turned skinny endurance athlete too… those guys are just out there.

Some guys get ALL the genetic breaks. A bike racing buddy played O line college football (granted he was small for it), is an FBI agent & was on SWAT team and a hostage negotiator, did 10 hours at IMLP, holds a 40k ITT national record, and won a geezer ITT world championship. I’m happy to get out of bed without falling on my face.

I think the trick is to be lucky enough to be exposed to someone like that so you can gain perspective. As mentioned up thread there are “freaks” in the Army that are visible to all and you might think that’s as good as it gets but then you meet someone completely unassuming and anonymous that is competing at an elite level in some hobby or doing things way beyond what all the braggarts in your circle are doing and then you realize what’s really out there and what “talent” really is.

My favorite anecdote about this sort of thing is triennial rising from the couch my Cat 1 buddy does… he’s old and out of shape and haggard and brittle and slowly but surely knocks the rust off and posts the Velodyne workout files. He starts at 320w at 155lb, something that took me a lifetime of training to get to and makes me pretty OK on a bicycle. That’s his floor. The watts keep going up or the 320w keeps getting extended out and pretty soon he’s back to “normal”. Once he gets there he goes back to the couch for another three years.

And that’s just a single skill guy, not some athletic polymath.

I’ve met a former D1 O-line guy turned skinny endurance athlete too… those guys are just out there.

Yeah, and the issue with triathlon is that it self selects a bit…there’s a large cost associated with being fast in this sport, so the somewhat fast guys are usually pretty certain they’re great athletes. Truth is, it’s a small pond and there’s an ocean out there.

I’ve met some pretty incredible athletes in the Army - one of my best friends in college was a lightweight rower in high school (6:30s for 2k), also played hockey, went to college and packed on 40# in 4yrs, dude was built like a bodybuilder. Usually ran 11:20-11:30 for the APFT 2mi at ~200#, and his only consistent endurance work was a weekly 30-45min run, sometimes a cardio workout that alternated a stairclimber and the erg for 90min, and occasionally I’d get him out for a 7-10 miler. He did some HIIT finishers for his lifting, but largely trained like a bodybuilder. Watched him run low 18s for 5k at that size. Was able to do 10x10 deadlifts starting at 315 and progressing to 345-365 (not a ton of weight, but the hybrid nature of the guy makes it crazy to me). He’s getting into triathlon now, and I’m going to guess he’ll pick up the bike pretty handily with his rowing background.

There’s a whole world of impressive athletes out there, and a lot of folks on ST hate acknowledging the existence of true athletic talent (“I could never do that - there’s no way anyone could!”).

There’s a whole world of impressive athletes out there, and a lot of folks on ST hate acknowledging the existence of true athletic talent (“I could never do that - there’s no way anyone could!”).

That is not just here on ST but in the triathlon community in general because there is this ongoing narrative that somehow all Ironman triathlete are one step away from being superheroes.If you look at Nick Bares general training history and his years of consistent workload then moving to Ironman and knocking out an 11:28 at the end of a focussed training block is not really that amazing.Yes he carried a lot of muscle mass into the event but it is most likely that muscle mass which gave him the strength to hold it all together on the day and not end up doing the slow Ironman shuffle while crying into his Gatorade from mile 10.

I’m still confused about this ‘muscle strength’ thing translating into terms like “Yes he carried a lot of muscle mass into the event but it is most likely that muscle mass which gave him the strength to hold it all together on the day and not end up doing the slow Ironman shuffle while crying into his Gatorade from mile 10.”

As far as I understand, the ability to go ironman-long and slow is almost entirely a feature of endurance. Having bulky muscles, even a little bit of bulk, is detrimental to that.

I’ve heard coaches throwing around the concepts of strength training so you can ‘last the distance’ at racing such as IM, but aside from a last-second burst of speed, I’m not understanding how all that short-rep strength and muscle bulk does anything whatsoever for the IM endgame shuffle.

(I understand how it would be super helpful for the end sprints in short or even long tris - just watching the Brownlees get smoked beyond belief in a track sprint on that old TV show by the boxer was enough proof of that!)

I’m still confused about this ‘muscle strength’ thing translating into terms like “Yes he carried a lot of muscle mass into the event but it is most likely that muscle mass which gave him the strength to hold it all together on the day and not end up doing the slow Ironman shuffle while crying into his Gatorade from mile 10.”

As far as I understand, the ability to go ironman-long and slow is almost entirely a feature of endurance. Having bulky muscles, even a little bit of bulk, is detrimental to that.

I’ve heard coaches throwing around the concepts of strength training so you can ‘last the distance’ at racing such as IM, but aside from a last-second burst of speed, I’m not understanding how all that short-rep strength and muscle bulk does anything whatsoever for the IM endgame shuffle.

(I understand how it would be super helpful for the end sprints in short or even long tris - just watching the Brownlees get smoked beyond belief in a track sprint on that old TV show by the boxer was enough proof of that!)

Yes,having bulky muscles will affect performance in endurance sport and that is most likely why Nick Bare went 11:28 and not 10:28 or faster.Lets not forget that he raced Ironman Florida which is flat so he really only had to “fight” his weight on the run.If he had raced on a hilly course he would most likely have been much,much slower.

Holding your form while at the back end of an Ironman is important to successful performance and that is why athletes continue to add “strength training” to their programs .It is the ongoing debate over definitions and what constitutes endurance strength training that is the centre of all the debates (especially here on ST).

If you look at Nick’s split times for that race,again a flat one,you will see that they are not that amazing…
Swim: 1:17:57
Bike: 5:48:23
Run: 4:04:53

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Imagine what Slowtwitch would have been like when Armstrong landed on the moon… “its really not that special, I know a guy who flew to Mars on a hang glider, and held his breath the whole way”…

The amount of 1-uppers on this site is crazy. Everyone’s a ceo banging 10s

haha… in my 20th year in the Army I took my final PT test and maxed and PR’ed the run… 10:40. Came back into the office and started talking to my old E7 and we got to talking and eventually I pulled it out of him that he did a 9:30 at Basic or AIT or something.

There’s always someone faster.