So he actually just did a fair effort on a fair course, and people might be a bit jealous he can do it, have a multimillion dollar company too. Basically just living the dream.
He has that elite .entality dedication to succeed.
This.
And also the conditions of the day were less than ideal. 35+mph headwinds for at least 12 miles and some brutal crosswinds throughout. Upper 60s-low 70s temp with humidity.
Fair effort. Fair course. 100%.
he did it in the nike % bounce shoes. for lightweight runner maybe makes someone 5-10 min faster in marathon. for heavy runner like him prevents more degradation, making him 20 min faster. He is a 3:15 guy, which is still a good effort.
Please post several results of runners who dropped their PR from 3:15 to 2:56 by wearing Vaporflys.
Thanks. I’ll wait.
They are people I know in person, so I will not publicly shame.
Regardless… would you people not give him as much credit for running 3:05–3:15 non mechanical doping shoes?
lol…okay.
he did it in the nike % bounce shoes. for lightweight runner maybe makes someone 5-10 min faster in marathon. for heavy runner like him prevents more degradation, making him 20 min faster. He is a 3:15 guy, which is still a good effort.
Please post several results of runners who dropped their PR from 3:15 to 2:56 by wearing Vaporflys.
Thanks. I’ll wait.
They are people I know in person, so I will not publicly shame.
Regardless… would you people not give him as much credit for running 3:05–3:15 non mechanical doping shoes?
Your argument is compelling.
You know a couple of people that ran faster in new shoes. Solid.
he did it in the nike % bounce shoes. for lightweight runner maybe makes someone 5-10 min faster in marathon. for heavy runner like him prevents more degradation, making him 20 min faster. He is a 3:15 guy, which is still a good effort.
Please post several results of runners who dropped their PR from 3:15 to 2:56 by wearing Vaporflys.
Thanks. I’ll wait.
They are people I know in person, so I will not publicly shame.
Regardless… would you people not give him as much credit for running 3:05–3:15 non mechanical doping shoes?
Your argument is compelling.
You know a couple of people that ran faster in new shoes. Solid.
Likewise you can google the scientific studies. Kipchoge went from 2:04 to 1:59 with shoe change. I used to be part of usatf board. Saw the times drop with introduction of the shoes
he did it in the nike % bounce shoes. for lightweight runner maybe makes someone 5-10 min faster in marathon. for heavy runner like him prevents more degradation, making him 20 min faster. He is a 3:15 guy, which is still a good effort.
Please post several results of runners who dropped their PR from 3:15 to 2:56 by wearing Vaporflys.
Thanks. I’ll wait.
They are people I know in person, so I will not publicly shame.
Regardless… would you people not give him as much credit for running 3:05–3:15 non mechanical doping shoes?
Your argument is compelling.
You know a couple of people that ran faster in new shoes. Solid.
Likewise you can google the scientific studies. Kipchoge went from 2:04 to 1:59 with shoe change. I used to be part of usatf board. Saw the times drop with introduction of the shoes
I don’t want to derail this thread which celebrates Nick’s awesome achievements.
But…
I imagine there were no other changes Kipchoge made between running his 2.04 and his 1.59. I believe they were on exactly the same course, exactly the same weather conditions, with no pacers and no support, he hadn’t done any extra training. The improvement was directly and solely related to his shoes.
he did it in the nike % bounce shoes. for lightweight runner maybe makes someone 5-10 min faster in marathon. for heavy runner like him prevents more degradation, making him 20 min faster. He is a 3:15 guy, which is still a good effort.
Please post several results of runners who dropped their PR from 3:15 to 2:56 by wearing Vaporflys.
Thanks. I’ll wait.
They are people I know in person, so I will not publicly shame.
Regardless… would you people not give him as much credit for running 3:05–3:15 non mechanical doping shoes?
Your argument is compelling.
You know a couple of people that ran faster in new shoes. Solid.
Likewise you can google the scientific studies. Kipchoge went from 2:04 to 1:59 with shoe change. I used to be part of usatf board. Saw the times drop with introduction of the shoes
I don’t want to derail this thread which celebrates Nick’s awesome achievements.
But…
I imagine there were no other changes Kipchoge made between running his 2.04 and his 1.59. I believe they were on exactly the same course, exactly the same weather conditions, with no pacers and no support, he hadn’t done any extra training. The improvement was directly and solely related to his shoes.
Major marathons have pacers too
he did it in the nike % bounce shoes. for lightweight runner maybe makes someone 5-10 min faster in marathon. for heavy runner like him prevents more degradation, making him 20 min faster. He is a 3:15 guy, which is still a good effort.
Please post several results of runners who dropped their PR from 3:15 to 2:56 by wearing Vaporflys.
Thanks. I’ll wait.
They are people I know in person, so I will not publicly shame.
Regardless… would you people not give him as much credit for running 3:05–3:15 non mechanical doping shoes?
Your argument is compelling.
You know a couple of people that ran faster in new shoes. Solid.
Likewise you can google the scientific studies. Kipchoge went from 2:04 to 1:59 with shoe change. I used to be part of usatf board. Saw the times drop with introduction of the shoes
I don’t want to derail this thread which celebrates Nick’s awesome achievements.
But…
I imagine there were no other changes Kipchoge made between running his 2.04 and his 1.59. I believe they were on exactly the same course, exactly the same weather conditions, with no pacers and no support, he hadn’t done any extra training. The improvement was directly and solely related to his shoes.
Major marathons have pacers too
Of course they do. Just not 27 of them on rotation every few minutes.
But as I said, his improvement is all down to the shoes. Nothing else.
I agree with you. people are just jealous. Good for him to show with the commitment to hard work you can improve. Hope he kicks ass against all the platued athletes that just buy new $hit and train less and expect to be faster.
But I don’t think they are jealous of his time. They are jealous of the attention he is getting for his time when they are as fast or faster, or have also improved. EVEN weirder.
Not responding to anyone specifically, but it was a legit sub 3 hour marathon. I live in Austin and know all the people involved. He wasnt the only person running the course. Course was set up and measured properly so that people could run marathons and half marathons on it since so many races have been cancelled. To be honest the weather conditions were awful, wouldnt be surprised if all the people who ran could finish a few minutes faster with better weather.
Im the first person to call out BS when I see it, but this was legit.
Not responding to anyone specifically, but it was a legit sub 3 hour marathon. I live in Austin and know all the people involved. He wasnt the only person running the course. Course was set up and measured properly so that people could run marathons and half marathons on it since so many races have been cancelled. To be honest the weather conditions were awful, wouldnt be surprised if all the people who ran could finish a few minutes faster with better weather.
Im the first person to call out BS when I see it, but this was legit.
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Yeah mate ,I am with you on this as the dude has been over the top open with his prep for this thing and has YouTubed the shit out of it.
I think guys like Nick are great at doing what they do and that is marketing themselves as fitness guru’s and that is a legit career.No claims of being the worlds greatest or fastest or Guinness record chasing or any of that shit so good luck to him.I sure wish I had the cash rolling in that he does for doing what I love.
What I do find amazing about guys like him and IronCowboy and Taren and Rich Roll and countless others like him is the army of rabid followers.It is such an interesting example of tribalism as people who,for the most part,have never met and will most likely never meet their chosen one,will model their life around what that chosen Guru says and does and defend them like they are part of their family. It fascinates me. Then we take that fan or cult like perception a little further and we see that these amateur level Gurus become seen as on par or even above the talent level of the top professional athletes in their chosen sport.I see this in our sport all the time and specifically in our little corner of the world in Ultra-Triathlon.As the fame grows then the perception of excellence grows and the hyperbole starts.If you dare to correct the false facts then God help you as you are now a hater.Apparently reality doesn’t need to be a part of what reality style influencers do. Again, fascinating stuff.
So good on Nick for doing what he does but I really wish the dude would put his bloody shirt on a little more often! His video of this marathon challenge will be dropping on his YouTube channel on Sunday 7th Feb…Meanwhile here is a fun “Ironman Prep” video from him posted last week. That should infuriate enough people here to keep the thread alive…Hahaha.
https://youtu.be/zp-kTJ42Sj0
Here I have some stats for runners pre shoe era (2015) and after. their training plans the same.
do you not notice how runners in these shoes finish the race, standing and smiling? before they would keel over and die at the finish.
Here I have some stats for runners pre shoe era (2015) and after. their training plans the same.
do you not notice how runners in these shoes finish the race, standing and smiling? before they would keel over and die at the finish.
With the exhaustive research you have attached i recommend you reach out to nike and have them rename their shoes 25% instead of 4%. For the conclusive 25% gains, im sure they will thank you. Maybe i just got duds because i own every 4% shoe and i didnt get those gains.
Agreed. Haters are going to hate regardless. My only complaint is geez put a shirt on. You making all us scrawny triathletes look bad.
Here I have some stats for runners pre shoe era (2015) and after. their training plans the same.
do you not notice how runners in these shoes finish the race, standing and smiling? before they would keel over and die at the finish.
Shoot dang it, if I could just change shoes and gain 27 minutes on my marathon, I’d have qualified for Boston. Wow.
By the way, Kipchoge ran faster than 2:04 a bunch of times. I’m not positive the exact races of these that the vaporfly/4% shoes came into play on, but it’s clear that we’re seeing, say, a 0.5% difference, and definitely not what you’re describing here, which is basically hobby jogger to elite just from switching shoes.
Sorry, this is hard to swallow.
-Eric
Here I have some stats for runners pre shoe era (2015) and after. their training plans the same.
do you not notice how runners in these shoes finish the race, standing and smiling? before they would keel over and die at the finish.
Shoot dang it, if I could just change shoes and gain 27 minutes on my marathon, I’d have qualified for Boston. Wow.
By the way, Kipchoge ran faster than 2:04 a bunch of times. I’m not positive the exact races of these that the vaporfly/4% shoes came into play on, but it’s clear that we’re seeing, say, a 0.5% difference, and definitely not what you’re describing here, which is basically hobby jogger to elite just from switching shoes.
Sorry, this is hard to swallow.
-Eric
please post the faster than 2:04 results in shoes that are non pbx foam / carbon plated, cause I did skim through them.
My sample size is small, but I have over 50 to pull from that I have been tracking for 4 years. Im not going to sit here posting them all for you. if you are following the running world at all recently, you are seeing records constantly demolished here and there. O yea, supposedly the 60 year old womens marathon record is 2:52 now. set by japanese lady, beating an olympian who formerly had it. If anything those who support these shoe records, should also support records like lzr racer prior to olympic ban.
Here I have some stats for runners pre shoe era (2015) and after. their training plans the same.
do you not notice how runners in these shoes finish the race, standing and smiling? before they would keel over and die at the finish.
Shoot dang it, if I could just change shoes and gain 27 minutes on my marathon, I’d have qualified for Boston. Wow.
By the way, Kipchoge ran faster than 2:04 a bunch of times. I’m not positive the exact races of these that the vaporfly/4% shoes came into play on, but it’s clear that we’re seeing, say, a 0.5% difference, and definitely not what you’re describing here, which is basically hobby jogger to elite just from switching shoes.
Sorry, this is hard to swallow.
-Eric
please post the faster than 2:04 results in shoes that are non pbx foam / carbon plated, cause I did skim through them.
My sample size is small, but I have over 50 to pull from that I have been tracking for 4 years. Im not going to sit here posting them all for you. if you are following the running world at all recently, you are seeing records constantly demolished here and there. O yea, supposedly the 60 year old womens marathon record is 2:52 now. set by japanese lady, beating an olympian who formerly had it. If anything those who support these shoe records, should also support records like lzr racer prior to olympic ban.
records from previous generations will always be broken by future generations. That’s just part of the deal. There will be shoe advancements, but don’t you dare discredit the advancements in health/ nutrition and training philosophy that did not exist in previous generations.
We as a society evolve and grow. We become collectively more intelligent and are able to come up with optimum strategies to break feats never before thought as achievable.
Yes Eliud had help with shoe improvements but he also had pacers on an optimal course and the pacers were in perfect formation to protect him from taking on any wind resistance etc.
I like the guy and his vids are entertaining.
seems humble and running a sub 3 for us mortals is impressive.
good for him
Same here - I’ve seen some of his videos and I think he comes across really well.
He’s a top level “non-pro” - and has made a really good business through hard work - good on him.
Running a sub 3 hour marathon is a great achievement.
Here I have some stats for runners pre shoe era (2015) and after. their training plans the same.
do you not notice how runners in these shoes finish the race, standing and smiling? before they would keel over and die at the finish.
Shoot dang it, if I could just change shoes and gain 27 minutes on my marathon, I’d have qualified for Boston. Wow.
By the way, Kipchoge ran faster than 2:04 a bunch of times. I’m not positive the exact races of these that the vaporfly/4% shoes came into play on, but it’s clear that we’re seeing, say, a 0.5% difference, and definitely not what you’re describing here, which is basically hobby jogger to elite just from switching shoes.
Sorry, this is hard to swallow.
-Eric
please post the faster than 2:04 results in shoes that are non pbx foam / carbon plated, cause I did skim through them.
My sample size is small, but I have over 50 to pull from that I have been tracking for 4 years. Im not going to sit here posting them all for you. if you are following the running world at all recently, you are seeing records constantly demolished here and there. O yea, supposedly the 60 year old womens marathon record is 2:52 now. set by japanese lady, beating an olympian who formerly had it. If anything those who support these shoe records, should also support records like lzr racer prior to olympic ban.
records from previous generations will always be broken by future generations. That’s just part of the deal. There will be shoe advancements, but don’t you dare discredit the advancements in health/ nutrition and training philosophy that did not exist in previous generations.
We as a society evolve and grow. We become collectively more intelligent and are able to come up with optimum strategies to break feats never before thought as achievable.
Yes Eliud had help with shoe improvements but he also had pacers on an optimal course and the pacers were in perfect formation to protect him from taking on any wind resistance etc.
advancements in health/ nutrition and training philosophy do not give assistance during the run, and the improvements miniscule compared to these shoes.
really, running needs to change in this way. the olympics should have cross country and throw out many of road/track events. technology doesnt help much when the surface and elevation constantly change.