Percentage of watt or speed?
They’re using a fabric that many will switch to for 2025. Not UCI legal, but no matter. It’s very fast having tested it from several manufacturers now. It comes down to fit for how much it might save you. Get used to the pricing - it’s difficult fabric to work with. I would suggest you refrain from sublimating it around the shoulders and side panels.
Thanks for chiming in Jim!
I imagine that the SwissSide Aero tri-suit (despite the whitepaper claiming the suit to be fast) does not use this new fabric? And have you tested anyone with this suit yet?
I believe their calf sleeves use the material. I don’t know about their suit. It certainly appears as though the ridges are further apart on the suit and I know there’s been a lot of experimentation with distance between the ridges from various manufacturers. I can’t say much more than that.
Not posting directly to you for the next bit… Someone in this thread mentioned this and I think it’s a valid point - I haven’t tested anyone under 40kph wearing this material yet. That will likely happen next month.
Also, savings quoted in watts only have meaning if you know the athlete’s watts during testing. A 20 watt savings for an athlete testing at 350 watts is very different from an athlete testing at 200 watts. We need to get away from watts and talk percentages.
Thank you!
Just responding to your post for simplicity…
I’ve had several talks with manufacturers about pricing and it’s been interesting. If this material (which is called “Aero Tech†though I don’t know how it’s spelled) continues to test as fast as it’s been testing, what is that worth?
Other than position, it’s potentially the “fastest†thing you can buy certainly over wheels or helmets. What is that worth to the athlete? As I mentioned, it’s difficult fabric to deal with. Not necessarily because it’s more fragile, but I think the cost is quite a bit higher and there’s a real question whether or not it should be sublimated as the heat from that process certainly seems to change it effectiveness, though I would want to collect significantly more data to be sure. I’ve also heard there’s another type of sublimation that is “cooler†so has less impact on the fabric.
Keep in mind, these outrageous prices only become the new norm if people agree to buy them… I on the other hand will be looking into the velotec recommendation. Under $200 seems appropriate for a tri kit. Especially when we have zero idea what will be fastest on an individual/position without aero testing. I’d rather have $$ towards a new road bike than possibly save 60 seconds on the bike leg when I’m gonna waste 4 minutes pooping on the run anyways. But to each their own! It’s all funny money anyways I suppose…
Ryson pricing is through the roof now!! I was shocked at their prices!
Just responding to your post for simplicity…
I’ve had several talks with manufacturers about pricing and it’s been interesting. If this material (which is called “Aero Tech†though I don’t know how it’s spelled) continues to test as fast as it’s been testing, what is that worth?
Other than position, it’s potentially the “fastest†thing you can buy certainly over wheels or helmets. What is that worth to the athlete? As I mentioned, it’s difficult fabric to deal with. Not necessarily because it’s more fragile, but I think the cost is quite a bit higher and there’s a real question whether or not it should be sublimated as the heat from that process certainly seems to change it effectiveness, though I would want to collect significantly more data to be sure. I’ve also heard there’s another type of sublimation that is “cooler†so has less impact on the fabric.
while at this, have to done a long term testing how many times you can wear an aero suit, as i would guess you have to take into your consideration, that a suit will defo not last as long as a set of wheels.
ie roughly after how many uses in a triathlon ,especially if you wear it waist down in the swim do they lose performance.
Been a long time fan of Wyn and their product quality. Currently use the LUCEO + tri suit. Today they launched their new CDA suit which has me curious. Based on their wind tunnel testing, 2 of their pro athletes saw a 20+ watt gain when pair with the new aero calf sleeves. https://wynrepublic.com/pages/cda-you-vs-you
Am I the only one sitting here scratching their heads when looking at these numbers? If these numbers are real, is it worth the price tag? $699 for a suit and $99 for the calf sleeves is a lot, but gaining 20 watts for a 70.3 or full is also insane.
With all that being said, what are everyone else’s thoughts?
Would love to hear from Jim at ERO as it looks like he ran the tests with Sam Appleton.
At Silverstone, at 43km/h they saw 3.7w difference with your suit ?
They’re using a fabric that many will switch to for 2025. Not UCI legal, but no matter. It’s very fast having tested it from several manufacturers now. It comes down to fit for how much it might save you. Get used to the pricing - it’s difficult fabric to work with. I would suggest you refrain from sublimating it around the shoulders and side panels.
Thank you for the reply, Jim. I was looking forward to hearing your remarks. I figured with Surpas and now Wyn being in this price bracket that it might become the new norm moving forward. Curious when Ryzon and Fusion will follow suit. Saw Sam Long post today that he’s testing a new Zoom suit that’s supposedly faster. Based on what your saying, it’ll likely be the same material and the new Wyn.
well for sodaro the suit does not offer too much improvement about 80 seconds at an ironman which likely is closer to 60 sec real world .
also while i have no idea how this material tests its entirely possible that for the people that go bellow 40 k an hours cheaper material could be as fast or faster.
somebody mentioned velotec suit that** often tests well with the bellow 40 kmh an hour folks **and one would not be surprised that for a lot of people a suit at roughly a third of the price could be as fast or faster.
this comes with somebody that last week has spend hours and hours wet suit testing with an athlete and the fastest wet-suit was a suit from 2016 … after adjusting the leg length a few times which achieved what we were looking for the swim, but also 9 out of 10 times will speed up transition times by 2 to 4 seconds.
meaning a older tech cheaper suit tailored to needs can be faster than stock expensive stuff.
point of order:
at ironman distance, the “below 40km/h folks” is almost everyone. it’s every woman in history, all but the best pro men. and the 50km/h crowd is . . . nobody, ever.
Bumping this back up. Any mere mortals pull the trigger on this and care to share first impressions or test results?
Any other companies using this magical material and selling at a lower price?
I’m working on it, final design is about ready. I want to add 2 pockets on the front (inside) and it will be black short/black top and black short/white top suits. Retail target price will be € 299-309. Delivery will be around mid April.
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Sounds great
Please have the sleeves and legs as long as possible.
As we know skin is slow
Thank you
Armlength is indeed one of the final last updates, we are going to make them a little bit longer.
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I wore the Wyn CDA suit for Ironman Maryland (5h 26’). I like the suit a lot. It’s very comfortable and it breathes super well. I’d imagine it would be excellent for hot races. Can’t comment on the aero aspects accurately though. The year prior I did Ironman Maryland and wore the Rule 28 Tri suit and was 13 minutes faster (5h:13’) on only 4 more watts NP ; however I had to stop once for :30 seconds when a bug flew in my helmet, I also had a 950 ml bottle in my jersey (cause it was legal then – and my training testing showed a bottle in the Jersey was MUCH faster for me) and I had issues and couldn’t ride aero the last 30 miles. But based of my training data, on the same flat loop, it’s pretty much the same as my Castelli PR suit in time but it definitely runs cooler.
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Wyn is just overpriced. Not even considering a suit that costs that much & it really isn’t going to make a difference for 99% of the triathlon world out there. It’s all marketing. When Endura shut down their custom suits (they were $350 for full custom)…I looked at others. Including Wyn…they were the first to get tossed aside just based off ridiculous price. Many better options out there–you just have to do the research. Too bad–Endura was an awesome suit but they do have a life span of only 1-1.5 seasons.
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I was really excited for mine to arrive, but then I tried it on and it didn’t fit - I could barely get it zipped over my chest, and then once I took a deep breath of air it popped open. My chest measurement is at the high end of what the size chart said would fit. I expected it to be a little tight over the chest, but this literally couldn’t fit. And the next size up would be excessively loose around the waist and hips, so it just wouldn’t work for me unfortunately. Went with Huub which has better sizing for people like me with broad chests and narrow waists.
This is good to know. I’m in a similar boat with a narrow waste and broader shoulders. Always find I could use a suit with a Lg top and medium bottom.
Which company do you represent?
I’m also working on creating a similar suit at a lower price point
Any updates on this @anon62099856 @Llewellyn ?Where can we purchase them?
My samples were production ready, but my bike project took so much out of me this suit thing was put on hold. I will aerotesting with @marcag the coming week and after that will pick this up. But first batch will be approximately end of May.
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