This thread is to announce my new saddle brand. I’m walking the thin line between making an announcement and gaining brand awareness via these messageboards - I want to respect Dan’s wishes for such posts and I’ll edit this post as needed. Thank you Dan.
wovebike.com (just tossed together yesterday and a large scale overhaul and new logo are on the way)
instagram.com/wovebike
Just my two cents in case you want it … for the road saddle especially you’re going to need something that looks a lot prettier than what’s on your website. Most bespoke crazy light saddles look like a work of art (e.g. Berk).
For the TT/Tri saddle. My favorite saddle is the original Belcarra Tri, which doesn’t seem a lot different than your design. The thing that’s awesome about that saddle is the end is covered in bumpy rubber, very grippy. You don’t move around like every other saddle. Recommend this as an option!
This might be a dumb idea, but since you’re building a tri specific saddle it might be worth a thought. I’ve noticed that quite a lot of saddles have a lot of empty space under the saddle, in my view this would be ideal to store an inner tube and some tire levers out of the wind. It would only require increasing the height of the saddle rails slightly and maybe create some mounting points.
appreciated!
We’ll have more images coming that do thedog more justice, though we’re not doing bespoke saddles. And re: TT, we’re not interested in simply copying designs that did not work for us or our pros. More to come! this a soft launch and a good time to hear feedback like yours, so keep it coming.
This might be a dumb idea, but since you’re building a tri specific saddle it might be worth a thought. I’ve noticed that quite a lot of saddles have a lot of empty space under the saddle, in my view this would be ideal to store an inner tube and some tire levers out of the wind. It would only require increasing the height of the saddle rails slightly and maybe create some mounting points.
I like it! We’re definitely including storage options for the saddle. We wanted to be universal and will be suggesting the use of the Woldtooth BRad System with us providing standard water bottle cage bolt spacing. As for the height of the rails, another goal is for people to just be able to put the saddle on, level it, and ride. If we require people to change their saddle height, that won’t allow us to hit that goal. Both saddles are unique in that you can ride anywhere on them and not have to think about it - this is the feedback we get frequently: ‘I can sit anywhere and it just works’
With our update to the website we have planned in the coming weeks, will explain the science we used to make that possible.
Looking at the various saddles I have at home, there’s already about 8mm difference between the lowest (measured bottom rails to top saddle) and the highest. So changing saddle for me automatically means fine tuning the seat height. I do agree, once mounted, you should not change the saddle height depending on your use, but for first installation I do not see an issue.
That website needs some work.
I read through your post and ended up thinking it was a pitch for you and your company’s management, rather than for a saddle. Why should I, as a consumer, replace my current saddle with yours?
x2 about the site copy.
Also would point out that that there’s no info on the site about purchasing/availability/etc so from ux perspective it may be a liability in its present form.
Saddle on Sam’s bike in the video looks great. Good luck with this – will definitely be interested in checking these out when they’re available.
That website needs some work.
I read through your post and ended up thinking it was a pitch for you and your company’s management, rather than for a saddle. Why should I, as a consumer, replace my current saddle with yours?
Will let you know as we incrementally update the site and provide more information and make products available.
And virtually every vender claims their saddle is the best in the world. That is pretty much a lie so don’t jump on that bandwagon.
I’ve been able to see some of the behind-the-scenes work Nick has put in to this over a long period of time. He has been making many many nuanced changes to the saddle design, all driven by feedback from his pro testing partners as well as his own extensive experience riding bikes.
I expect that this will be a phenomenal saddle and I look forward to riding one.
What is infinergy foam?Specifically, why is your saddle better than the next closest competitors’ saddle(s)? As in, what makes your saddle different but better? Serious question and would love to hear detailed answer.Who do you see as your closest competitors?Do you have women riders who love your saddles? What have they said?
What is infinergy foam?Specifically, why is your saddle better than the next closest competitors’ saddle(s)? As in, what makes your saddle different but better? Serious question and would love to hear detailed answer.Who do you see as your closest competitors?Do you have women riders who love your saddles? What have they said?
I’ll respond in-line:
What is infinergy foam?
BASF Infinergy is what is used by Adidas in their Boost shoes. We’ve tested many foams, and we came up with a special mix of different size Infinergy “beads” with a liquid foam that keeps it light, and doesn’t compress nearly as fast as typical saddle foam, and provides a good balance of being comfortable, cushy yet firm, without the rider sinking into the foam.Specifically, why is your saddle better than the next closest competitors’ saddle(s)? As in, what makes your saddle different but better? Serious question and would love to hear detailed answer.
The largest differentiator is that both of our saddles are comfortable in any position. We see three anatomical areas of concern with saddles, and while some saddles are good for two of those areas, they fail in the third. They are: 1) saddle support areas are well aligned with the pelvic bones in all angles as the rider leans forward or sits up, 2) saddle does not cause soft tissue pressure regardless of how far leaned forward the rider is, and 3) saddle does not cause thigh rubbing, even for people highly sensitive to the perception of a slight rub causing serious discomfort.Achieving those three factors can be hard to incorporate into a single saddle when bodies range in size and sensitivities, and people ride at different angles on their saddle. But, that’s what we’ve done and it’s taken years and many prototypes and may testers. I’ll share the research on our website and instagram in the coming weeks and when we do an actual launch, with products for sale, with our messaging rhetoric and imagery dialed. our TT saddle cover material provides the right amount of ‘locking you in place’ while allowing for some easy fore/aft adjustment. Just watch Rudy and Sam race; you don’t see them shifting around. Our road/gravel/mtb saddle allows for more fore/aft adjustability with just a teeny amount of grip.Who do you see as your closest competitors?
Tri/TT: ISM PN series, Cobb JOF55, Belcarra Tri, Secret Saddle ClubRoad/Gravel/Mtb: Specialized Power, Pro Stealth, Bontrager Aeolus, Fizik Argo, Prologo Dimension, Fabric Line ProDo you have women riders who love your saddles? What have they said?
Yes - we’ve been sure to include women in our UX testing. The biggest take away in terms of gender from this research and the thousands of bike fits I’ve done prior to creating saddles is there’s slightly more women than men valuing softer padding in a TT saddle.I’ll speak to this research in an on-going matter on IG, and will keep conducting research.
Fantastic reply. Thank you!
Why do you think that women prefer softer padding?
Why do you think that women prefer softer padding?
the empirical observation is that there are *slightly more women than men who prefer softer padding. To imply a causal reason, I turn to anecdotal data for the following hypotheses:
For the riders who wanted soft tissue relief and needed a super soft saddle, the ISM Century and Typhoon were their go-to (those saddles have been renamed in recent years). the Miles V8 saddle isn’t as soft as those two saddles, but it does resolve those riders’ issues.
+1 on redoing the website copy.
Also, the pictures of the saddles on your Strava have MUCH better lighting and detail than the ones on the website.
+1 on redoing the website copy.
Also, the pictures of the saddles on your Strava have MUCH better lighting and detail than the ones on the website.
On it. Thanks!
What are the dimensions of both saddles especially the width at the nose of the TT saddle, that a big factor for a lot of people
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This looks really promising, well done on the level of design that has gone in. There are very few (=1) brands that I can think of that have taken such an exhaustive approach.
Couple of questions: