Is this a cross between SLR tri and Adamo ? (talking about “features” not how it looks). Is it good for nose sitters? I’m wondering if you put one sit bone on each of the squishy parts up front and let your boys hang in front of the tilted down shorty nose?
http://cobbcycling.com/…_Plus_White_C1P3.cfm
was just about to post this exact same question. Maybe the man himself will answer…
Thanks
B
Someone with John’s email him, fire a link to this thread so he can answer please 
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He’s answered a few questions in the first thread on this…
Is this a cross between SLR tri and Adamo ? (talking about “features” not how it looks). Is it good for nose sitters? I’m wondering if you put one sit bone on each of the squishy parts up front and let your boys hang in front of the tilted down shorty nose?
http://cobbcycling.com/…_Plus_White_C1P3.cfm
It looks like a lot like the original Flow saddle with maybe a slightly narrower front.
The V Flow and V Flow Plus appear to be the same as the Blackwell Research saddles with different graphics. Of course John designed those saddles so once BR folded it make sense that he would keep them under another name.
I’ve got the Mo Flow and love it. Good to know that I’ll be able to get a replacement in the future…although it’s $15.00 more than the BR version.
These seats are very similar to the original Blackwell Flow and Mo’Flow, which I designed and built for many years… I did change the foam density a little and I changed the shape of the rear “V” to get more underseat airflow. I also made them a little lighter @275gr. and hopefully made them better looking. The concept of the Plus is to be able to nose ride more easily. I think that if you can get the seat moved forward enough, it’s still better to sit more in the middle but many of the bikes don’t allow for enough seat travel to do this. Both of these saddles are much narrower in the rear than a normal seat, this is to prevent your thighs from jacking you forward when riding the aerobars. I have a couple of new seats coming out that will be pretty interesting for you “nose riders” available in about 60 days. All seats require a little work to find the best comfort, these are no different. Working on small changes in tilt and rotation can often save the day… or other parts.
Since I am one of those “middle” saddle riders this would be a great addition for me. I try to shove my saddle as far up as possible, but like you said, I run out of travel a smidgen too far back.
John, thanks for bucking some of the more interesting trends of other companies to bring tried and true hard tested products. Your saddles and ideas on brake placement and aero helmets have made me really take a closer look at what I use and how.
Can’t wait to see the new products…
I have a couple of new seats coming out that will be pretty interesting for you “nose riders” available in about 60 days.
John,
I’ve given the Adamo a couple of tries and it just hasn’t agreed with me … but I raced it at the Masters Nationals last year because it allowed me to be UCI compliant and still feel like I had some saddle beneath me. Much of that owes to the short overall length. Are any of the new things in your pipeline going to be short like that and good for those of us needing UCI compliance?
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Being very aware of UCI rules, I love the concept of beating them at their own game. I think that you will find that my soon to be released seats will solve many of those issues. This will be fun for me and less painful for you.
Bless you JC.
Would you recommend either of these saddles for ladies? I’m constantly trying to help my wife find a more comfortable saddle…it’s a never ending journey.
I have sold several of the Blackwell Flo’s over the past couple of years to women and now have a couple on the newer version (Flow Plus). I think it is just like any other saddle out there, you have to get them on the saddle for a couple of hundred miles to get a honest try. I have not gotten any of the Flo Plus or Mo Flo back when demoed. I am looking forward to seeing the new design.
Thanks. The 180 day program sure doesn’t help trying one out either.
where is the 180 day program at?
My wife switched to a Blackwell Flow saddle on her time trial bike last year after years of severe discomfort during and after Ironman races. The usual women’s saddles were ok up to half distance but beyond that were terrible.
She has been totally comfortable since her first ride and had no issues during or post races and is VERY happy She also noticed that her hammies felt ‘free’ while riding due to the narrower saddle.
As a male I’m wondering about trying one instead of the Fizik Arione Tri I’ve used for the past 3+ years, which I find great, so any feedback from guys would be appreciated.
From our experience there are two go-to problem solver saddles: Cobb’s saddle and the Profile Tri Stryke. I think both are good, but personally like the John Cobb saddle the best. It is a more traditional saddle with a durable cover and is slightly firmer than the Profile making saddle height adjustments (affected by the compression of the saddle under the rider’s weight) more predictable.
Now, truth be told, so many saddle comfort issues are really not endemic of the saddle itself. It is a combination of factors such as using ill fitting or inadequate shorts, poor position on the bike, angling the saddle too much, not enough gradual miles of acclimation, no use of a chamois lubricant or some combination of those factors.
People always look to the saddle for the cure, but it isn’t always the entire problem.
the Plus looks like the space Shuttle
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