Hi everyone.
Got an incident with my tt bike. I need a new frameset but i got di2 hydrau groupset and hed jet 6/9 disc wheelset from the old one !
I’ve see in my country what is available and i got 3 options :
Other one ?
Its an hard choice between these three frameset, any advice ?
I mainly do 70.3 or 140.6 distance
Thanks
Which one fits you best?
I think the P5 Disc is the still the fastest framset on the planet. I would lean toward that one.
From my previous bike fit , i can fit on both, so from this side its okay
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Whichever one you like the most and will enjoy riding most.
There’s really not much difference between all of them. Especially for us age groupers.
The only difference is integrated hydration if that’s important to you then Shiv.
Other than that, whichever you prefer assuming fit is not an issue.
Also factor if you want to customise aerobars or have budget in mind for wheels/etc.
FYI - I’m currently on a P5d, previous bikes include P5x, Trek SC, Sworks Shiv.
There really is very little difference especially over long course.
Aerodynamically, imo the bike variance is about 5% of our CDA so irrelevant.
Assuming you get the full warrantee with the new P5 disc that is a better value than the used P5 or used Shiv disc. I understand the Shiv is a bit fancier for long distance racing but there are enough proprietary parts on the bike you want support should something go wrong.
You are also getting a really good deal at 3800 euros for a new P5 disc and a not so good deal at 3300 for the used P5 disc. I would ball park any used bike being worth no more than 70% the equivalent new bike and that is for a bike in pristine condition. The 500 euro difference in this case is indicative of an inflated used bike market which is definitely a think right now but not a great trend for buyers.
Definitely go new and just get the one you like. I would personally get the Ordu for fit and subjective reasons but they’re both great bikes.
Definitely go new and just get the one you like. I would personally get the Ordu for fit and subjective reasons but they’re both great bikes.
Happy to hear what are other reasons that let you choose the ordu ?
Which size Ordu are you able to get as a frame?
In my country, there are only 2 (yes, 2) Ordu’s available to preorder for 2022 (with delivery promise up to August 2022), so if you’re able to source a new frameset, I might be really keen to get one (especially at that price) if you don’t grab it first 
I own a P3X and am really happy with it, however, the TT bike I would choose now would be the Ordu
I don’t believe manufacturers claims, I believe JP at Swiss Side. He designed and tested the Ordu, therefore I recon it is probably just about the most aerodynamic bike available (I am sure that there were some constraints)
The wind tunel that Swiss Side use is in a totally different league to the one that Specialize have
Finally I helped a friend to build his Ordu, I was really impressed with the overall quality
Definitely go new and just get the one you like. I would personally get the Ordu for fit and subjective reasons but they’re both great bikes.
Happy to hear what are other reasons that let you choose the ordu ?
Fits me better (long and low in the biggest size), narrow/pretty design, all the storage I need and no more, not as common as Cervelo, custom colors, and significantly better price than other superbike framesets
I own a P3X and am really happy with it, however, the TT bike I would choose now would be the Ordu
I don’t believe manufacturers claims, I believe JP at Swiss Side. He designed and tested the Ordu, therefore I recon it is probably just about the most aerodynamic bike available (I am sure that there were some constraints)
My n = 1 is on your side too. I rode the Cube C:68 SLT (also developed with SwissSide) for a while, and it wasn’t any second slower than a P5 I had after it with similar fit coordinates.
I own a P3X and am really happy with it, however, the TT bike I would choose now would be the Ordu
I don’t believe manufacturers claims, I believe JP at Swiss Side. He designed and tested the Ordu, therefore I recon it is probably just about the most aerodynamic bike available (I am sure that there were some constraints)
I didn’t know this. Do have more details?
I knew about the several Cubes, the new Canyon TT/Tri and now the new Simplon.
I own a P3X and am really happy with it, however, the TT bike I would choose now would be the Ordu
I don’t believe manufacturers claims, I believe JP at Swiss Side. He designed and tested the Ordu, therefore I recon it is probably just about the most aerodynamic bike available (I am sure that there were some constraints)
I didn’t know this. Do have more details?
I knew about the several Cubes, the new Canyon TT/Tri and now the new Simplon.
I just had a look and can’t find any references, however, I am pretty sure I remember reading about it previously. I owned an Orbea, and really liked the look of the new Ordu… However its possible that I am wrong
I own a P3X and am really happy with it, however, the TT bike I would choose now would be the Ordu
I don’t believe manufacturers claims, I believe JP at Swiss Side. He designed and tested the Ordu, therefore I recon it is probably just about the most aerodynamic bike available (I am sure that there were some constraints)
I didn’t know this. Do have more details?
I knew about the several Cubes, the new Canyon TT/Tri and now the new Simplon.
They were also involved in the design of the new Storck (like the Simplon also claimed to be the fastest bike in the world), however, never heard of any involvement with Orbea.
Ah right, I missed the new Storck Aerfast. What a kickass fork.
They were also involved in the design of the new Storck (like the Simplon also claimed to be the fastest bike in the world), however, never heard of any involvement with Orbea.
Really? The new Storck Aerfast 4 frame is a rebranded Pardus Spark Evo (made by Taishan Sports, so you likely can found other “manufacturers” too) with a new fork.
They were also involved in the design of the new Storck (like the Simplon also claimed to be the fastest bike in the world), however, never heard of any involvement with Orbea.
Really? The new Storck Aerfast 4 frame is a rebranded Pardus Spark Evo (made by Taishan Sports, so you likely can found other “manufacturers” too) with a new fork.
Fork and handlebar differentiate it form the Pradus (and is where the aero improvements supposedly come from) . For this particular bike Storck also made sure the valve extenders were not too short…
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From my previous bike fit , i can fit on both, so from this side its okay
Of course you can. While generally sound the “buy the bike that fits you†advice is dated. Almost every modern bike frame/cockpit present fit range options to satisfy 99% of the population. Look elsewhere for advice on whittling down the list.
I’d go new for warranty. Go with p5 disc.