Didnt see a thread on this…anyone have any info?
The Silencer? That’s been out for quite a while. Is there another new one?
Not sure…is that the same as this https://youtu.be/GdjlpGFig5Yhttps://youtu.be/GdjlpGFig5Y
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The hole in the market for them to fill seems pretty obvious: a better Kickr than the Kickr, with an accurate PowerTap built in, selling for $100 more than the Kicker. They might move a little slowly, but I wouldn’t want to compete with Cycleops long term.
I’ll predict that whatever it is will put them back in the DCR rankings, probably at the top.
I’d say they are better off selling a FE-C controllable trainer for people who have Power Meters already. I’ve read so many people using “power Match” on Trainer road which means they’ve paid for a power meter in their Kickr, Snap, CT, Tacx that they don’t use. I know I’d prefer a $300-400 trainer that fills this gap vs another trainer with a power meter built into it.
Do you have pics of it?
You still need the power meter in the trainer in order for power match to work. All it’s doing is calibrating the trainer resistance to your power meter, and it needs its own power meter to measure how it’s doing that. In other words, it’s making it so that when you do an ERG workout set at 200w, it’s going to set the resistance at a level that will make the power meter on your bike read 200w, so you can train to the same numbers indoors and out.
Understood but but what I’m saying is one that can read the ANT+ signal from your ANT+ power meter and alter the resistance this way. That removes the need for any power matching at all. It’s also possible with the FE-C protocol from what I understand. The Trainer just needs any reading of power to change the resistance. This seems like a much better solution for most of us. Ideally we wouldn’t ever use the trainers Power Meter when we don’t race or train outdoors with it.
Agreed, and I think there is a market for both, an awesome smart trainer with an accurate power meter, and an awesome smart trainer with no power meter. You are right, the latter is the bigger hole in the market since I don’t believe there is a comparable product.
So… anyone know what they are actually making?
You still need the power meter in the trainer in order for power match to work. All it’s doing is calibrating the trainer resistance to your power meter, and it needs its own power meter to measure how it’s doing that. In other words, it’s making it so that when you do an ERG workout set at 200w, it’s going to set the resistance at a level that will make the power meter on your bike read 200w, so you can train to the same numbers indoors and out.
Don’t think this is true. Maybe you need/want a built in “powermeter” on the trainer for a tighter control loop. An external, to the trainer, powermeter could be used to set and control the loading in a control loop. The computrainer doesn’t have a physical powermeter, it uses electronic motor feedback control to determine power levels.
No, just saw that video. Must be a new smart trainer.
I’d say they are better off selling a FE-C controllable trainer for people who have Power Meters already. I’ve read so many people using “power Match” on Trainer road which means they’ve paid for a power meter in their Kickr, Snap, CT, Tacx that they don’t use. I know I’d prefer a $300-400 trainer that fills this gap vs another trainer with a power meter built into it.
so much this!
I still don’t see the point of paying for a kickr when u need your own PM to make accurate enough!
Bike PM + *ERG-Trainer = ftw!
If the new trainer has accurate power they could be on to a winner. I’ve just returned my second and replacement Kickr Snap for a refund. I’m back on my Cycleops Fluid 2. Power accuracy on the Snap was a joke and way off what my power meter said. It wasn’t even a consistent difference. The higher the power target on the Snap the more out the actual power was. I had to use Power match with Trainerroad to get the Snap usable in ERG mode and then it only worked well on workouts with no big jumps in power target. So if the Cycleops trainer has a built in and accurate power meter, is quiet and works well with Trainerroad and Zwift I’m sure it will do well.
Just a heads up the “World Wide Debut” of this trainer is going down next Wednesday here in San Diego. Cycleops along with the Trek-Segafredo Team are going to be in town doing a meet and greet and showing this thing off.
http://www.trekbicyclesuperstore.com/about/tour-of-california-mania-pg1206.htm
Bump! Seeing that it’s meant to be out today.
Any updates?
SteveMc
DCRainmaker review http://www.dcrainmaker.com/2016/05/cycleops-hammer-smart-trainer.html
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DCRainmaker review http://www.dcrainmaker.com/...r-smart-trainer.html
Thanks. If the power output is accurate I could well be interested in buying one.
I’d say they are better off selling a FE-C controllable trainer for people who have Power Meters already. I’ve read so many people using “power Match” on Trainer road which means they’ve paid for a power meter in their Kickr, Snap, CT, Tacx that they don’t use. I know I’d prefer a $300-400 trainer that fills this gap vs another trainer with a power meter built into it.
For what I understand, Zwift doesn’t support ERG mode on smart trainers using a separate power meter. That means no automatic resistance changes unless using the smart trainer’s own power meter. That being the case, it doesn’t make sense to not have the PM on-board.
Zeift doesn’t need too when all the current generation cycling head units can control trainers now via FE-C via the ANT+ protocol. The software just need to tell the head unit what to do. Even if it’s not currently available a quick code update would allow this.