Interesting data from a letter to the editor in the New England Journal of Medicine:
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2106757
For anyone who does not wish to read it, non-vaccinated family members we’re much less likely to get COVID when their healthcare worker family member was vaccinated. And because the healthcare worker family member may not be the only source of potential COVID exposure, the benefit of vaccination may be even larger than reported here
At this point we all know the benefits of vaccination.
At this point we all know the benefits of vaccination.
We, as in the people here, or the royal we?
Because I just saw someone post on FB the other day some data* demonstrating that it’s not the unvaccinated spreading the virus.
*No idea if the data was real or not, but the conclusion certainly didn’t follow anyway.
At this point we all know the benefits of vaccination.
We, as in the people here, or the royal we?
Because I just saw someone post on FB the other day some data* demonstrating that it’s not the unvaccinated spreading the virus.
*No idea if the data was real or not, but the conclusion certainly didn’t follow anyway.
I’m not going to go back and dig for it, but I think some on this forum were making the claim that the Vax doesn’t stop spread just a few weeks ago.
Counter Point to the New England Journal of Medicine - Nikki Minaj’s Cousin’s Friend got swollen balls from the vaxx
So its really 50/50 on whether the vaxx is beneficial or not.
At this point we all know the benefits of vaccination.
Not in my state. Only about 38% of the population is fully vaccinated. A lot of nurses, fireman, nursing home staff, etc… are refusing to get vaccinated.
Counter Point to the New England Journal of Medicine - Nikki Minaj’s Cousin’s Friend got swollen balls from the vaxx
So its really 50/50 on whether the vaxx is beneficial or not.
Oh that made me laugh. Good one!
And no amount of evidence will change their minds.
It’s also insane to claim we have a treatment now ! So we don’t need the unproven vaccine, when the treatment was obviously developed around the same time.
My point being is that there is no need to produce studies showing the benefits of the vaccine because you either have the vaccine or are not going to get it.
And no amount of evidence will change their minds.
It’s also insane to claim we have a treatment now ! So we don’t need the unproven vaccine, when the treatment was obviously developed around the same time.
My point being is that there is no need to produce studies showing the benefits of the vaccine because you either have the vaccine or are not going to get it.
I look at it differently. There are so many non-reputable sources spouting off with false vaccine info. We need reputable sources, like the NEJM, to be able to counteract the BS. No, it’s not going to change the minds of the anti-vaxxers but it may help convince people on the fence about it
I can certainly see that point, and I agreed with it for a while.
But at this point, the vaccine has been fully approved, has been shown to be pretty effective, have had mild side effects, etc.
I doubt anyone in the last month has been swayed to get vaccinated based on studies. Probably in the last month people have gotten vaccinated because 1) they had to for work, 2) full approval - which I can understand waiting for, 3) they have had someone close to them be personally impacted by it.
At this point we all know the benefits of vaccination.
We, as in the people here, or the royal we?
Because I just saw someone post on FB the other day some data* demonstrating that it’s not the unvaccinated spreading the virus.
*No idea if the data was real or not, but the conclusion certainly didn’t follow anyway.
I’m not going to go back and dig for it, but I think some on this forum were making the claim that the Vax doesn’t stop spread just a few weeks ago.
A recent paper actually shows that indeed vaccinated folks can spread the virus but that the window during which they shed sufficiently to spread is much more narrow than unvaccinated folks. So either way, arguing against vaccines is fucking idiotic.
At this point we all know the benefits of vaccination.
We, as in the people here, or the royal we?
Because I just saw someone post on FB the other day some data* demonstrating that it’s not the unvaccinated spreading the virus.
*No idea if the data was real or not, but the conclusion certainly didn’t follow anyway.
I’m not going to go back and dig for it, but I think some on this forum were making the claim that the Vax doesn’t stop spread just a few weeks ago.
Cavechild was, emphatically. And I forget his/her job but it was something scientific that he/she felt lent weight to their view.
Here’s a random post from the middle of a long thread:
I can certainly see that point, and I agreed with it for a while.
But at this point, the vaccine has been fully approved, has been shown to be pretty effective, have had mild side effects, etc.
I doubt anyone in the last month has been swayed to get vaccinated based on studies. Probably in the last month people have gotten vaccinated because 1) they had to for work, 2) full approval - which I can understand waiting for, 3) they have had someone close to them be personally impacted by it.
To me, the issue is not just persuading people to get the vaccine. The issue also implicates all sorts of decisions on both a policy level and a micro level. As to micro level decisions, I (perhaps like most people here) have often been faced with the question whether to get together (indoors or outdoors) with person X, family Y or group Z and been told that they are fully vaccinated. That still left the question of how contagious they might be, despite being vaccinated. This is one useful piece of evidence that helps inform those decisions.
Fair enough! And agreed!
At this point we all know the benefits of vaccination.
We, as in the people here, or the royal we?
Because I just saw someone post on FB the other day some data* demonstrating that it’s not the unvaccinated spreading the virus.
*No idea if the data was real or not, but the conclusion certainly didn’t follow anyway.
I’m not going to go back and dig for it, but I think some on this forum were making the claim that the Vax doesn’t stop spread just a few weeks ago.
A recent paper actually shows that indeed vaccinated folks can spread the virus but that the window during which they shed sufficiently to spread is much more narrow than unvaccinated folks. So either way, arguing against vaccines is fucking idiotic.
One of the good things about this type of study is that it helps control for differences in behavior. That is, even if we know at a biological level how contagious a person is, we don’t know if their vaccination status affects their behavior. So, for example, someone might hypothesize that a vaccinated person might take more exposure risks, in the belief that it is safe(r) due to their vaccinated status. A study like this helps show that, even if — hypothetically — being vaccinated causes you to take more risks, household members are still safer with a vaccinated health care worker than an unvaccinated one.