Neanderthals interbred with humans

"Scientists have found new genetic evidence that they say may answer the longstanding question of whether modern humans and Neanderthals interbred when they co-existed thousands of years ago. The answer is: probably yes, though not often.

In research being published online this week by the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, the scientists reported that matings between Neanderthals and modern humans presumably accounted for the presence of a variant of the gene that regulates brain size."

Hence Republicans.

Ken,

I followed the link you provided to try to learn more about this. Unfortunately I was unable to find this exact article. Is there a more specific link or search that can be used? Or maybe this is just a joke?

Bernie

Ken,

I followed the link you provided to try to learn more about this. Unfortunately I was unable to find this exact article. Is there a more specific link or search that can be used? Or maybe this is just a joke?

Bernie

Try http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/abstract/0606966103v1 for the abstract (and it is very abstract!); I think you can access the entire article from there.

Of course, the Reepub dig was a joke. I do think the particular gene they used for their conclusion did regulate brain size, though.

I thought this thread was about the GOP - my wrong
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Thanks. I read a book by Micahel Crichton called The Eaters of the Dead which is basically an account of Beowulf saga told by a Muslim who was part of the party sent out to battle the Grendel. They made a movie that was based on the book calles the 13th Warrior, but the book is much cooler. The idea was that the Grendel was actually a tribe of Neanderthal living in the caves. Of course, in true sci-fi fashion, Crichton reveals just enough evidence to make it seem possible. And also there are the Arab’s accounts which is what Crichton actually used for the book. Most of it is a translation of the actual manuscript.

This kind of stuff is really cool to me.

Bernie

for the abstract (and it is very abstract!);

Wow, that is the understatement of the year! I had to get the dictionary out for about every other word. Its no wonder I stink at the New York Times Crossword Puzzle.

Bernie

… and here I thought it was about Lorenzo; you and your family tree -:slight_smile: The GOP is now Democrat. What are you going to find to bullshit about now?

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2006/TECH/science/11/08/neanderthals.brains.reut/vert.neanderthal.afp.gi.jpgThings that make you go “Hmmmmm…”
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If i were neanderthal, I would totally do a human chick.

http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/pv/The%20Rosie%20O'Donnell%20Show-4.JPG
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I’ve been interested in this topic since college. Lot’s of different explanations for why they disappeared, and all seem pretty logical. SOme had said that the two species couldn’t concieve a child, others feel that we just wiped them out. Possibly a disease that we gave them, somewhat like the pox we gave the Indians. I have no doubt that there was some sexual mingling going on though. Hate to admit this about my species, but we have had sex with just about every animal that could handle it, and a few that couldn’t. I know, sick, but unfortunately true. So it is no stretch for me to figure that these two groups that shared the same space for tens of thousands of years, had sexual relations, and not the Clinton type. I believe they have found a progeny of this mating in one of the old caves in Europe. My guess is that there were some kids from these couplings, but they all died out and became dead ends in an evolutionary sense…

Wow, that is the understatement of the year! I had to get the dictionary out for about every other word. Its no wonder I stink at the New York Times Crossword Puzzle.

Here’s my translation:

*At the center of the debate on the emergence of modern humans and their spread throughout the globe is the question of whether archaic Homo lineages contributed to the modern human gene pool, and more importantly, whether such contributions impacted the evolutionary adaptation of our species. *

The research we did answers an important question in the field (really, who ever says otherwise?), namely did early homo sapiens interbreed with other human-like species and did that breeding contribute to the evolution of homo sapiens.

A major obstacle to answering this question is that low levels of admixture with archaic lineages are not expected to leave extensive traces in the modern human gene pool because of genetic drift.

Usually this question is hard to answer because of the enormous genetic variability seen in humans

Loci that have undergone strong positive selection, however, offer a unique opportunity to identify low-level admixture with archaic lineages, provided that the introgressed archaic allele has risen to high frequency under positive selection.

However, if we got a gene from another human-like species that gave us a big evolutionary advantage, we may be able to find it.

The gene microcephalin (MCPH1) regulates brain size during development and has experienced positive selection in the lineage leading to Homo sapiens. Within modern humans, a group of closely related haplotypes at this locus, known as haplogroup D, rose from a single copy http://www.pnas.org/math/ap.gif37,000 years ago and swept to exceptionally high frequency (http://www.pnas.org/math/ap.gif70% worldwide today) because of positive selection. Here, we examine the origin of haplogroup D. By using the interhaplogroup divergence test, we show that haplogroup D likely originated from a lineage separated from modern humans http://www.pnas.org/math/ap.gif1.1 million years ago and introgressed into humans by http://www.pnas.org/math/ap.gif37,000 years ago.

As human-like species diverged a million years ago, another human-like species had a variation in the microcephalin gene (the group D) but homo sapiens did not. Much more recently, these variation was reintroduced back into homo sapiens where it became very common because it was evolutionarily adaptive.

This finding supports the possibility of admixture between modern humans and archaic Homo populations (Neanderthals being one possibility).

Because this variation was reintroduced back into homo sapiens after we had evolved to not have it, it makes it likely that we gopt it by breeding from another related, human-like species. (In the main article they mention that this variation is more common in Europeans than Africans, supporting the idea that a human-like species living in Europe but not Africa was the source… hence the focus on Neandrathals.)

Furthermore, it buttresses the important notion that, through such adminture, our species has benefited evolutionarily by gaining new advantageous alleles. The interhaplogroup divergence test developed here may be broadly applicable to the detection of introgression at other loci in the human genome or in genomes of other species.

We might gotten other cool gene variations from breeding other human-like species.

Scientists have found new genetic evidence that they say may answer the longstanding question of whether modern humans and Neanderthals interbred

That certainly would help explain the Lavender Room.

My guess is that there were some kids from these couplings, but they all died out and became dead ends in an evolutionary sense…

Not true if you believe these findings, which say that almost all of us (esp Europeans) have a little Neandrathal in us.

I read the findings, and I believe what they are saying, is that it is possible that we may have merged with another group, not nessciarly the Neanderthals. It will be exciting to see what the truth really was back then. I believe that eventually, genetic testing will get so accurate, that they will be able to tell us the answers. There were many groups similar to humans that appeared to die out, any one of which could be the link up they are talking about.

You’re right, Neandrathals are a likely/possible source but not definitively.

This also tells us that beer has been around thousands of years longer than we previously thought. I wonder how many beers it takes for neanderthal to become attractive enough to want to fuck it.

Well, duh.

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"The GOP is now Democrat. What are you going to find to bullshit about now? "

What??

Yeah what I meant to say is the House and Senate … What would you like me to bullshit about?