Which is better for there sport? and which do just think is more impressive. Not that either one is that impressive.
Swimming a 10:55 1,000 yard freestyle
or
Running a 16:10 5k on the track
Or, being a college student who knows the difference between ‘their’ and ‘there’.
Which is better for there sport? and which do just think is more impressive. Not that either one is that impressive.
Swimming a 10:55 1,000 yard freestyle
or
Running a 16:10 5k on the track
I’m impressed by the fact that you seem to think that neither result is impressive.
Which is better for there sport? and which do just think is more impressive. Not that either one is that impressive.
Swimming a 10:55 1,000 yard freestyle
or
Running a 16:10 5k on the track
A 10:55 for a 1000yd free is pretty weak. Any halfway decent high school aged boy (or girl) should be able to go well under that. Put another way, as a teenager I would do sets like 4x1000 on 10:30, holding sub-10s. At the college level you’re looking at guys at mid-season duel meets going under 9:10. IMO a good time for the 1000 should be under 10min and an impressive one would be anything under 9:15.
Not sure about the 5k at 16:10 but if you take 1:40 off of 16:10 (the same amount I proposed dropping from a 10:55 1000) you get a 14:30 which seems pretty fast to me. I’m sure the runners can provide more insight though.
I’m not sure what school you’re talking about but you may want to check out how many college swimmers actually go under 9:10 in the regular season. Not many.
Although I do agree with your overall sentiment: I can go under a 10:55 but I don’t think a could touch a 16:10… I’m a swimmer not a runner though.
He said “impressive”. At the recent Tenn v. Florida duel meet the winning time was 9:15 and they were going that fast or faster back in “my day” some 15 years ago. I have no idea what good times are for places like U of Missouri or an NAIA school but at the D1 sharp end, if you don’t have a swimmer that can go 9:10 you aren’t going to be competitive in any distance events.
Not many are even under 9:30. Tennessee only had one swimmer under 9:20 this season. 9:15 is supper fast. Probably out of range for almost all triathletes.
I don’t know jack about swimming either but the school record at the University of Wisconsin - Madison (John Flanagan’s school I believe) doesn’t even have a single sub 9:10 for the 1000 assuming LCM of course… And yes these records go back a long time so I’m calling BS.
Forgive the bad math.
5000 m World Record 12:37 therefore 16:10 is ~ 28% slower.
No WR (that I could find) for 1000 yd swim, so 800 m WR is 7:32, estimated WR in 1000 m/yd would be around 9:10ish so 10:55 is ~ 18% slower.
So maybe 10:55 is the more impressive comparative time.
In AG triathlon world, both are pretty quick, though.
Forgive the bad math.
5000 m World Record 12:37 therefore 16:10 is ~ 28% slower.
No WR (that I could find) for 1000 yd swim, so 800 m WR is 7:32, estimated WR in 1000 m/yd would be around 9:10ish so 10:55 is ~ 18% slower.
So maybe 10:55 is the more impressive comparative time.
In AG triathlon world, both are pretty quick, though.
“pretty quick”? IIRC, the winning times for the pros in ITU are just under 20 mins usually, so a 16:30 (extrapolating your 5:27/500 pace) would be 3 mins faster. I’d call that a bit more than “pretty quick”.
John
I’m not that impressed with a 16:10 5K on the track. I used to run about that during 5K high school cross-country races through the woods and over the hills (of course I was also a sub 4:20 minute high school miler). I am much more impressed with the swim since I am such a terrible swimmer.
So, despite the bloviating here, how many, on this board could right now…
Swim a 10:55 AND run a 16:10?
We need not discuss bike times, because all can pump a 57:15 40K.
I don’t know jack about swimming either but the school record at the University of Wisconsin - Madison (John Flanagan’s school I believe) doesn’t even have a single sub 9:10 for the 1000 assuming LCM of course… And yes these records go back a long time so I’m calling BS.
http://www.uwbadgers.com/pdfs/9252.pdf
First off the 1000 is only swum SCY, the 800 is the LCM equivalent. Secondly, Wisconsin is not a premier swimming school. Thirdly, the UT record is 9:05 (from 1992) and the NCAA record is 8:44 so if anything 9:10 may not be fast enough to be considered “impressive”. Also, the 1000 is not swum at NCAAs or Conference championship meets so they mostly likely went those times at either a duel meet or an invitational - or as a split on their 1650.
Furthermore, in 2009 alone there were two 15yr olds(!) under 9:10, eight 16yr olds, and eight 17yr olds. Hell, a 14yr old was 9:11!
What’s a “duel meet”? Is it like a dual meet, but with swords? 
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Furthermore, in 2009 alone there were two 15yr olds(!) under 9:10, eight 16yr olds, and eight 17yr olds. Hell, a 14yr old was 9:11!
I thought that the swim times were faster, but this suggests that they’re right about equal: 20 17-18 year old boys ran 16:14 or better in 2008.
http://eliteyouth.com/rf2008/rf2008.asp?DCODE=YM&ECode=5000
THere doesn’t seem to be good data for kids younger than that and the 5000m, but I’m probably loooking in the wrong place?
The other thing to bear in mind is that the US is a much better swimming nation than long distance running nation.
And at 15-18 swimmers can compete at an international level, and it is not to uncommon for them to be world or Olympic champions. That doesn’t happen at 5k runs.
I can’t settle the question at hand, but I will say that you seem to be comparing the swim time to what GOOD college swimmers do. A 16:10 5k is high school decent. There are GOOD high schoolers in the 14 minute range and good college runners coming in under that.
Just do an apples/apples comparison. I know it’s hard for those of us with a deep background in one but not the other.
I think there is merit to measuring the % that swim falls behind the world record. The problem is that the previous poster that tried this probably screwed up the estimate of a 1000 yard WR.
The USMS record for 1000 SCY is 9:25.88 set in 1998.
10:55 is about 16% behind the US record
The american record for 5k is 12:56.27 set in 2009.
16:10 is about 25% behind the US record.
That jives with my intuition that the 10:55 1000 is a more impressive performance.
Mmmm… still apples and oranges. USMS records don’t really compare to American records. But USA swimming reports that Erik Vendt went 8:36.49 in the 1000 in 2008:
Making 10:55 about 27% off defacto American record.