does anyone ride moots?
i wonder why no love…
ok. maybe nobody even cares. lol.
carbon is still king.
Great bikes, great bunch of guys, and probably would be my 2nd choice if I were going to buy a Ti bike (and only #2 because Kent is building again under his own name.)
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I ride a Moots, and I think it is the greatest bike I have ever ridden. Love it. Feel like I can ride it all day long. In fact, this weekend on a ride in Austin, we came out of a gas station and there were a bunch of guys standing around my bike ogling it. That was kind of cool. Nice guys too. Before I bought mine, they gave me the full factory tour in Steamboat.
what name is that?
some reviews i’ve read say they climb slightly slower. true?
do you race it?
"what name is that? "
Kent Erickson. He founded the company, sold it off a few years back, and is building again as of this year.
"some reviews i’ve read say they climb slightly slower. true? "
Slower relative to what?
That sounds like one of those “Ti bikes are (insert generalization here)” type of statements. Pretty useless.
Bikes don’t climb slow, slow climbers climb slow.
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No. I am mainly just a tri guy. I have heard lots of horror stories, esp. trying to start racing in the Cat 5 category. I hear you get some real yahoos out there, and I don’t want my tri season ruined bc someone can’t handle their bike. I have thought about it a bunch, but I haven’t ever pulled the trigger on a bike race. I usually ride it when I am going long or riding a very hilly course. I built it up just for Austin bc I was getting killed in the hills on my tri bike.
yes, i know who he is/aware of the sale, just didn’t know the new brand or company he’ll start up for the upcoming line (hence the question).
some reviews say the bike climbs slower to higher end carbon bikes. again, these are just reviews…i was asking your opinion on how you felt the bike climbs.
and bikes do climb differently. if i were to climb on my old roadie versus the one i have now it would be a big difference. so, i don’t think it’s an outlandish question…i was just aking how you felt the machine performed in the hills.
thanks anyway!
Kitty -
Tracey Segar races on a Moots (bald guy) for the Midwest Flyers. He would be a good guy to ask.
While I don’t have a lot of experience in any really big hills, in my opinion, the Moots climbs like a billy goat. I have the Compact SL.
I don’t know the name of the company - he’s just starting up. Rumor is, the frames will be called ByK.E. He (Kent) is also building frames on contract for Glenn Erickson - and that is actually what I would get if I were going to get another Ti frame (which won’t be any time soon.)
“some reviews say the bike climbs slower to higher end carbon bikes. again, these are just reviews…”
Apples to oranges.
“i was asking your opinion on how you felt the bike climbs.”
It climbs like a fine, handbuilt, Ti bike - meaning about the same as my (free) Taiwanese generic frame would if you strapped 2 pounds on to it. That’s how it feels like it climbs. How does it actually climb? See below.
"and bikes do climb differently. if i were to climb on my old roadie versus the one i have now it would be a big difference. "
OK. Why? How do you quantify this? Can you?
“so, i don’t think it’s an outlandish question…”
It’s not outlandish, but it is silly… because it is essentially meaningless.
If you compare, for example, a Moots to a Parlee, the Parlee is going to be a pound to 2 pounds lighter. Is it going to climb better? I don’t know - but I bet it will feel like it does.
Frankly, what “climbs well” for me is probably going to be different than what “climbs well” for you. I’m a 5’8" 40 year old Cat 1 long-break specialist who weighs 150 lbs, can average over 300 watts for an hour, and goes uphill, eh, pretty OK-ish.
Unless you are too, my answer is largely going to be irrelevent, even as a description of something as ambiguous and subjective as “feel.”
I could blow a gallon of smoke up your ass, and write a couple of paragraphs of florid nonsense, or I could be honest and write what I did.
But don’t worry - I’m sure the smoke and nonsense will follow in short order, and you will be made happy.
Frankly, the very expensive custom Ti road bike I own is, hands-down, a lesser race bike than the generic Taiwanese frame my team gave me.
Note “race bike.” Not “ogle in the parking lot bike,” or “piece of art bike,” or “show off at church bike,” or “I have money falling out of my ass bike.”
I sell a lot of bikes. Please reference above for brief capsule description of typical Moots, Parlee, Calfee, etc. customer.
If you want a race bike, go to a local cat 2 race, take a look at what most folks are actually racing, and then buy whatever re-labeled Taiwanese aluminum or carbon frame happens to fit you, or maybe get an aluminum soloist, or a Trek.
How do all of these bikes climb? Fine, I guess.
I have won a lot of bike races, and I have lost a far, far greater number. I can honestly say that I have never felt like I lost a road race because my bike wasn’t up to snuff, or because it didn’t climb well enough
It just isn’t the same thing as a timed solo race, where you can honestly calculate the advantages of one bike over another. Heck, I Have tried; i’m the analytical sort. I rode my custom Ti bike at the same wattage up the same climb as my generic POS, and after several runs, the performance difference was below the margin for error.
So, lacking conclusive evidence, I refrain from blowing smoke.
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I could blow a gallon of smoke up your ass, and write a couple of paragraphs of florid nonsense, or I could be honest and write what I did.
But don’t worry - I’m sure the smoke and nonsense will follow in short order, and you will be made happy.
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Wow, some many people seem to have had shitty weekends!
I could blow a gallon of smoke up your ass, and write a couple of paragraphs of florid nonsense, or I could be honest and write what I did.
But don’t worry - I’m sure the smoke and nonsense will follow in short order, and you will be made happy.
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Wow, some many people seem to have had shitty weekends!
No kidding… internet message board bravado rage on!!!
HOO-RAH!
Actually, he’s already making frames. As far as whether Ti climbs well, well, I tend to think it’s about the engine, not the bike. I buy bikes for aesthetics first, which is why I can NEVER own a carbon bike…they’re just too ugly. Steel is my fave, followed by Ti. And YES, I do race my steel bikes, although, most of my racing has been done on aluminum. I have never understood why someone who isn’t a pro getting free gear would want to race on a 4k carbon frame. Stuff breaks in bike racing, because if you race long enough, YOU WILL CRASH. I’d rather be out a 500-1000 dollar aluminum frame, then be sobbing over an irrepairable broken real expensive carbon frame. I don’t have that kind of money. But that’s my opinion.
Here’s some new Eriksen Pron…
What with Fredly here and Rocco on his “why Bjorn is crap” thread it seems like half the world has a stick up their arses!
whew, that’s a nice frame!
thanks for the pics, and information everyone.
What with Fredly here and Rocco on his “why Bjorn is crap” thread it seems like half the world has a stick up their arses!
i guess i’m not the only one tapering this week…
I’ve got a 55 Moots VaMoots for sale that has brand new ultegra 10 components along with an EC90 fork and EC90. With easton Vista wheels I’ll sell it for $2100. It’s an awesome bike but I already have 2 very expensive Cervelos and I need to sell my Moots.
Cheers
Great bikes, great bunch of guys, and probably would be my 2nd choice if I were going to buy a Ti bike (and only #2 because Kent is building again under his own name.)
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Fredly - question, since you seem to know the brand well - I’ve seen a grand total of 1 (one) moots bikes. it was Ti, of course, but not particularly light. my friend that was riding it is a pretty big guy, probably 210lbs or so, so he made sure his bike was pretty sturdy. (He’d just ridden a carbon bike into the ground, pretty much). I know he got his custom, but is that typical of a moots? Using Ti to make a bike sturdier, and worrying a little less about making it as light as possible?
-charles