Anyone using this?
https://moltenspeedwax.com/collections/molten-speed-wax/products/molten-speed-wax-race-powder-55g
I’ve had a jar since the summer of 2019. I’ve used it sparingly but I can’t tell a difference other than everything that touches the powder gets a graphite/charcoal colored smudge on it.
Which seems to remove one of the best reasons for using a wax lube - no chain marks!
I’ve had a jar since the summer of 2019. I’ve used it sparingly but I can’t tell a difference other than everything that touches the powder gets a graphite/charcoal colored smudge on it.
I bought a jar hoping it was the equivalent of the white dust that comes on an ice chain, which seems to help keep it super clean. Haven’t used it yet, but sounds like probably not based on your comment.
I used it in one race. I had good result, but there’s no way to tell if it contributed in any way (clearly training more will have much more benefit)
But its relatively inexpensive (if you use it just for racing) and if you are looking for every watt you can get, or even just for the placebo effect (knowing you covered all angles), I think it’s worth it
Read the instructions and DO NOT spill any on the floor. I didn’t put a rag or cardboard down when I sprinkled on the cement floor in my basement. Like a dumb-ass I just tried wiping the excess up with a towel, which has the effect of coating your floor. I have a roughly 5x5’ spot on my floor that is still slicker than all get out after about 3 years.
Based on my floor experience, I would guess it is probably good for the 1/2 watt they claim over just their wax.
According to ZeroFrictionCycling for their race prepared chains:
****LATEST UPDATE ON FULLY OPTIMISED RACE CHAIN PREP OPTION – up till 20/11/20 this was done with mspeedwax and race powder (after controlled chain break in, many ultrasonic cleaning rounds, ultrasonic wax with fresh wax, controlled wax break in run – then the race powdering application would occur). As recent data release with UFO drip v2, it has shown Silca Hot Melt is around 1w faster than race powdered msw chain, as such FULL RACE optimised chains now undergo all the same steps but will be waxed with Silca Hot Melt and not race powdered after wax break in run). **
Source: https://zerofrictioncycling.com.au/product/12-speed-chain/
Josh - Huge fan of your input and your products. I owe every tool you make and purchased 90% of all other accessories. Keep up the good work.
Question - Can your new bio degreaser be used in an ultrasonic cleaner? If yes, at what dilution?
Did they test silca wax + race powder though?
I’ve had a jar since the summer of 2019. I’ve used it sparingly but I can’t tell a difference other than everything that touches the powder gets a graphite/charcoal colored smudge on it.
Same exact results I’ve had. The powder didn’t seem to make a difference, but it rained during the race so the entire waxing benefit actually FELT slower than had I used a lube. It was the only time I used the MSW & powder in a race and probably did way more thorough of prep than I needed. It was a long cleaning process to start with, but once you have the chains prepped it is easier the next time for sure. I just train with waxed chains now. It’s so quiet…like a new bike. DO NOT drop the powder on anything. Had a VRBO & some fell outside of the newpaper area & got on the painted deck. I had to use a cleaning solution & lots of elbow grease to get it off. A good 20 minutes spent getting it wiped off.
ericlambi-
MSW race powder over SILCA wax in the lab ranges somewhere between slightly slower and no difference depending on how much the chain has been run in on the work stand.
We have seen slight efficiency gains by dusting a waxed chain with WS2 nano particles (the particles in SuperSecret are 10x smaller than MSW) and have provided this to a few pro triathletes and teams, but honestly, it’s at best less than 0.1w improvement that comes with a big inhalation risk requiring respirators and the like and is absolutely impossible to clean from any surface that it touches… absolutely not worth it in my opinion.
Bryan!-
thanks for the kind words and you can definitely use our biodegreaser in an ultrasonic, I would keep it at full strength or dilute at most with equal parts DI water.
Lastly, we’ve posted this before, but here’s the ZFC rundown on the waxes, you can see that the WS2 in SILCA hot wax is not just faster, but ~4x lower wearing than the MoS2 and PTFE that MSW uses.
