comparativley speaking, which have you all found the ups and downs of each and for sustained durability, which would you recommend? are they comparable? which would offer the best bang for the buck? i’m looking at $900 -$1000 for either. least amount of maintanence? least amount of problems with either?
i’m really in need of some new wheels but i’m not sure of what is what and i could use some experienced input.
thanks.
i hate to not really answer the question, but since you are a fellow texan I’ll just throw this out there:
http://www.neuvationcycling.com/wheels.html
These will be just as good in every tangible way and cost less.
I’m a bit of a wheel hound. I have some Ksyrium SSC SLs (25,000 miles) and some Easton EA90TTs (and 6 other sets 
The Ksyriums are likely more durable - hard to kill and well proven as sold by the millions. The Eastons are a “faster” wheel (lower spoke count and semi-aero wheels), but less durable hub (per reports). Can be had for a lot less.
The neuvations are very nice for the money, but not as nice as below:
If spending close to 1K, I’d highly recommend the new Dura Ace WH “carbon” (alumin with carbon bonding) wheel. SUPER nice hub, light, durable and stiff. A much better training wheel for that money if not building one (i.e. King hubs, open pro rim, etc. which you will certainly get some recs for).
I will second that. I bought a pair, been riding them for 6 months now. No problems. Great customer service as well!
I’m a bit of a wheel hound. I have some Ksyrium SSC SLs (25,000 miles) and some Easton EA90TTs (and 6 other sets
The Ksyriums are likely more durable - hard to kill and well proven as sold by the millions. The Eastons are a “faster” wheel (lower spoke count and semi-aero wheels), but less durable hub (per reports). Can be had for a lot less.
The neuvations are very nice for the money, but not as nice as below:
If spending close to 1K, I’d highly recommend the new Dura Ace WH “carbon” (alumin with carbon bonding) wheel. SUPER nice hub, light, durable and stiff. A much better training wheel for that money if not building one (i.e. King hubs, open pro rim, etc. which you will certainly get some recs for).
well, i’d like to keep it simple as in between only mavic and the eastons’s althoug i thank you for your input with the nuevations Mr. Mott. what i was told is that the threaded spokes into the rim on the sl’s can become fused and so the spokes can break. not that big of a deal unless it tears into my carbon fiber stays, that could not be so good. the eastons have the normal spokes and i was told that yes, they are faster than the mavics but is that treally true? is it only beacuse they are semi aero or is it the weight as well or the hub? and the hubs now used by easton are their own as is the same with the mavics. the mavics are easily servicable but i don’t know about the eastons at all.
now mind you that the kind of riding im about to put down is the ironman type of riding and i’d like something that i can use on the road and in the tri’s. i’m not rich, i can barely afford to eat let alone have a different set of wheels for different occassions so i’m searching for a best all around wheelset, dependable.
so with that said would you all say that the mavics, tried and true, are the best bet? any problems with those spokes breaking?
thanks for all the help peeps.
in general, hub goodness relates only to durability. none of them are appreciably different in how fast they are under load. like not even 1 watt.
weight doesn’t matter much either. a lot of people think that wheel weight matters more than say, frame weight, but it really doesn’t, in fact is matters a bit LESS for triathlon purposes.
so keep that in mind
durability, and cost would be the only factors to look at for a training wheel. The shop you are working with should have a good idea on how often wheels they sell come back, so if you trust them to be honest with ya, thats useful info. (im pretty sure they sold me a too small tri bike years ago because they had it in stock though, fuckers)
if you want to double them up as race wheels, well a cover for the rear wheel makes any ole rear wheel as good as any disc wheel
I’m a bit of a wheel hound. I have some Ksyrium SSC SLs (25,000 miles) and some Easton EA90TTs (and 6 other sets
The Ksyriums are likely more durable - hard to kill and well proven as sold by the millions. The Eastons are a “faster” wheel (lower spoke count and semi-aero wheels), but less durable hub (per reports). Can be had for a lot less.
The neuvations are very nice for the money, but not as nice as below:
If spending close to 1K, I’d highly recommend the new Dura Ace WH “carbon” (alumin with carbon bonding) wheel. SUPER nice hub, light, durable and stiff. A much better training wheel for that money if not building one (i.e. King hubs, open pro rim, etc. which you will certainly get some recs for).
well, i’d like to keep it simple as in between only mavic and the eastons’s althoug i thank you for your input with the nuevations Mr. Mott. what i was told is that the threaded spokes into the rim on the sl’s can become fused and so the spokes can break. not that big of a deal unless it tears into my carbon fiber stays, that could not be so good. the eastons have the normal spokes and i was told that yes, they are faster than the mavics but is that treally true? is it only beacuse they are semi aero or is it the weight as well or the hub? and the hubs now used by easton are their own as is the same with the mavics. the mavics are easily servicable but i don’t know about the eastons at all.
now mind you that the kind of riding im about to put down is the ironman type of riding and i’d like something that i can use on the road and in the tri’s. i’m not rich, i can barely afford to eat let alone have a different set of wheels for different occassions so i’m searching for a best all around wheelset, dependable.
so with that said would you all say that the mavics, tried and true, are the best bet? any problems with those spokes breaking?
thanks for all the help peeps.
in general, hub goodness relates only to durability. none of them are appreciably different in how fast they are under load. like not even 1 watt.
weight doesn’t matter much either. a lot of people think that wheel weight matters more than say, frame weight, but it really doesn’t, in fact is matters a bit LESS for triathlon purposes.
so keep that in mind
durability, and cost would be the only factors to look at for a training wheel. The shop you are working with should have a good idea on how often wheels they sell come back, so if you trust them to be honest with ya, thats useful info. (im pretty sure they sold me a too small tri bike years ago because they had it in stock though, fuckers)
if you want to double them up as race wheels, well a cover for the rear wheel makes any ole rear wheel as good as any disc wheel
now you’re confusing me. they are race wheels so i’m not following unless you are talking about aero wheels being considered race wheels. not interested in the aero wheels for road so only in these as my all around everyday riders/racers. and they are race wheels.
i’m also gonna be racing crits this next year, and dominating them so again, an all in one race/ride wheels is what i’m looking for, not a training wheel. hell, i took those off of my huffy at age five. 
gotcha, crit race wheels
BAM: http://www.neuvationcycling.com/product57.html
im to scared to do crits so i dun even know what im talking about but those look cool
i’m also gonna be racing crits this next year, and dominating them so again, an all in one race/ride wheels is what i’m looking for, not a training wheel. hell, i took those off of my huffy at age five.
it’s settled, i’m sticking with these. thanks for all the help, slowtwitchers.
it’s settled, i’m sticking with these. thanks for all the help, slowtwitchers.
http://www.mavic.com/...ium-sl.107973.1.aspx
although it would’ve helped had they spelled the word pRovEn on their home page correctly. dumb ass french people.
Sorry I’m late to the party. I also apolgize for stepping outside your Mavic/Easton limits. Further, I’ve not ridden the Eastons, so I can’t helpt there. I have friend who own both and they say the Mavics accelerate faster.
I have put thousands of miles on Mavic Ksyriums - the originals, the SLs, and the ESs which I currently have. They’re great wheels. Stiff in the corners and accelerate really nicely, so they’re a good choice for crits. I’ve had three issues with them. First, I’ve cracked two rear rims. But, I weight 185. If you’re lighter, then that’s probably not an issue.
The second issue is bearing adjustment. Now that the Ksyriums are 2 years old, the bearings seem to need adjustment on a monthly basis. That’s a pain for me.
The third issue is that non of the Mavic Ksyrium wheelsets I’ve owned (3) have been within 45 grams of the advertised weight. I know this doesn’t really matter, but it does bug me.
You may consider looking at the DT Mon Chasseral wheelset. Advertised weight is a hair lighter than the Ksyriums and the components are easily available. No special spokes or nipples that thread into the rim. I’ve purchased the components and am having a set built.
I have a few pairs of the 2009s both the sl and the sl premium, very nice wheels, I do crits on them all the time, even did a major crit in CAli and I wasnt the only one on them. very nice wheels, you can go tubeless with them as well.
Sorry I’m late to the party. I also apolgize for stepping outside your Mavic/Easton limits. Further, I’ve not ridden the Eastons, so I can’t helpt there. I have friend who own both and they say the Mavics accelerate faster.
I have put thousands of miles on Mavic Ksyriums - the originals, the SLs, and the ESs which I currently have. They’re great wheels. Stiff in the corners and accelerate really nicely, so they’re a good choice for crits. I’ve had three issues with them. First, I’ve cracked two rear rims. But, I weight 185. If you’re lighter, then that’s probably not an issue.
The second issue is bearing adjustment. Now that the Ksyriums are 2 years old, the bearings seem to need adjustment on a monthly basis. That’s a pain for me.
The third issue is that non of the Mavic Ksyrium wheelsets I’ve owned (3) have been within 45 grams of the advertised weight. I know this doesn’t really matter, but it does bug me.
You may consider looking at the DT Mon Chasseral wheelset. Advertised weight is a hair lighter than the Ksyriums and the components are easily available. No special spokes or nipples that thread into the rim. I’ve purchased the components and am having a set built.
well i thank you both, fatandslow and IronMilf :), for the responses. this is my first real wheelset and i don’t have a ton of money so i’m just looking for a great all around road wheel to go onto my tarmac. come time for aero, i’ll need the aero bike to go with it. i do plan on riding these into the ground and so far, it’s the mavic sl’s. i’ll be going into an lbs and talking about all the alternatives with some builders/riders for my needs and see what comes of that come that time.
It’s not what you want to hear, but if money is tight and you want a wheel you “can ride into the ground” I’d follow some of the suggestions made- the Neuvations are pretty sporty and there’s always the Ultegra / Open Pro route. (My faves). You’ll walk away for under 300 bucks. Use some of the remaining money to buy beer for your friends who will loan you their extra “race” wheels on race day.
It’s always nice to have top end kit, but someone (maybe on here) once put it best - “Never ride equipment you can’t afford to replace”.
get the mavics, pay the extra $$$ for the mp3 plan so you can get them replaced if you break them. one thing I will say about mavic is make sure you adjust the bearings after the first 100 miles or so. that ill make them last a bit longer.
I have a front rysys that ill sell CHEAP if you want it.
For the money you are willing to spend AND the fact that you want to stick to one wheelset that has to do it all, I would go for handbuild wheels. I ride a set of wheels made by wheelbuilder.com; rims are Velocity Deep V’s (30mm rims) with a DT SWiss front hub and a powertap rear hub (but you can get the DT Swiss rear hub). They are superstrong wheels, aero (enough), very stiff, ideal for crits, rough roads, etc. I use them for everything - plan on getting the wheelcover and use them as my race wheels also.
I have a set of Easton EA90 SL’s too, I always thought they were really good wheels and I loved to ride them. Until I got my wheelbuilder.com set, and I haven’t ridden my Easton’s since. I still keep them as a spare set.
It’s not what you want to hear, but if money is tight and you want a wheel you “can ride into the ground” I’d follow some of the suggestions made- the Neuvations are pretty sporty and there’s always the Ultegra / Open Pro route. (My faves). You’ll walk away for under 300 bucks. Use some of the remaining money to buy beer for your friends who will loan you their extra “race” wheels on race day.
It’s always nice to have top end kit, but someone (maybe on here) once put it best - “Never ride equipment you can’t afford to replace”.
sh!te. yes, i wanna put them on the bike and just ride the thing and not worry about if they will hold up. it’s gonna be a one set will have to do it all for at least a year. i also need a new drivetrain…i’m on 105 and mavic xcp22’s, right now which is what came with my tarmac elite double so i’d have to guess that any of the wheels listed will be a huge improvement. but $300 for a complete wheelset? that sound pretty good. that is what you were saying, right? complete with hubs?
not too shabby for right now. thanks for the heads up.
get the mavics, pay the extra $$$ for the mp3 plan so you can get them replaced if you break them. one thing I will say about mavic is make sure you adjust the bearings after the first 100 miles or so. that ill make them last a bit longer.
I have a front rysys that ill sell CHEAP if you want it.
i have about 5 bucks.
thanks Milf but i really want the complete set up, all of it or none of it right now at least as my build skills and knowledge of all of these parts are nonexistant. and thanks for the insight on the bearing adjustments.