Lupus

Hello,

My girlfriend is a 14 year Lupus survivor. She’s went from having difficulty going up stairs to doing half marathons, trail races, century bike rides, and even a short triathlon. She’s very active and tries to work out nearly every day of the week.

But things still aren’t easy for her. Of course she has a team of doctors, but they don’t necessarily know much about Lupus and athletics, so I’m just inquiring here to see if there are others here with Lupus or related auto-immune diseases and how you (or someone you know) has dealt with it.

Thanks,

Tim

PS. Yes I did do a forum search and found a little, but thought it was time to ask again.

Have you had any problems with sunlight during training and racing?

She just has to put on tons of sunscreen, and to re-apply it often. In fact she tends to layer sunscreens. If she didn’t do that she would have major problems. On top of the Lupus (which itself causes sun sensitivity), she has quite fair skin.

My wife has a mild case of Sjogrens. Luckily for her it just means she has to try extra hard to keep hydrated. Also luckily she is more of the finish and finish strong type of runner rather than, beat anyone else out there type. Definitely something she needs to keep a watch over though.

I also work with people who have rheumatoid arthritis. For them medication and strength training seem to help quite a bit, until a big flair up happens. Then it is just wait it out unfortunately.

I have systemic lupus. I was only diagnosed about a year ago, and I would guess that mine is relatively mild. It’s kind of nice having a diagnosis, as I’ve had different flare up over the years, without being able to ever pinpoint a problem. I first went in because I had a lot of muscular pain, that I thought was just DOMS and maybe I was overtraining. It would take me a week to recover from a fairly light session of weightlifting, and I was trying to follow a beginner’s triathlon plan but couldn’t keep up because of the pain. After a bunch of tests, the rheumatologist I first saw labeled it as an auto-immune disorder, and suggested I improve my diet and take CoQ10. He recommended a visit to a sports medicine doctor which resulted in the lupus diagnosis, and he basically reinforced the better diet idea. Like you say, nobody seems to know anything about Lupus and athletics. I’ve searched a lot too, but there doesn’t seem to be much out there. Some people think endurance sports make it worse, others think it helps. The sports doctor was interested in me as a special case, but he didn’t really have much to offer, honestly. I felt like the main character in Idiocracy when he visited the doctor…

Overall, my biggest adaptation has been improved diet. I take a “recovery meal” approach to pretty much every meal, and that seems to help a lot. My diet is pretty dull, and I just kept refining how I had been improving my diet before the diagnosis - slowly but surely cutting out crap, and I’m down to pretty much the same foods every day: no sodas, no caffeine, no drugs or alcohol, no fried foods, plenty of fruits and vegetables, a little bit more protein than the average endurance type, etc. I drink a lot of water, and try to eat as many “simple” foods as I can. I haven’t had fast food in a couple of years, and I avoid all the processed crap, artificial sweeteners, etc. I suppose some might say my diet is “semi-primal.” I take the CoQ10 (which does seem to help, but it’s kinda spendy), Omega-3s, and a joint supplement. I use ibuprofen when I hurt.

To complicate things, I had been laid off from my job shortly after my diagnosis, took a contractor job, but went almost a year without health insurance because I got turned down. I got it recently through my employer, so I am heading to the doc on Thursday to see if there is anything else that I should be doing. I ended up with another bout of pleurisy last week, after having the flu, and that’s a pretty typical setback - when I get hit with something, I get hit hard. My training has been kind of slow the last couple of weeks (mostly just running every day), which is unfortunate, as my first oly tri of the year is in a couple of weeks.

Training-wise, I’m learning to adjust to it and know my limits. Like my sports doctor said, we all have an overtraining threshold - mine is just different. I’ve been able to continue to slowly build my training up, and I’m in the best shape I have been in since the early 90s. I’m not going to be winning any races, and qualifying for Kona or Boston or anything like that is a pipe dream, but I have found a way to balance my training enough that I continue to get faster and can go longer. Fast twitch stuff kills me. I can’t do much weightlifting. I am not a speed demon, but can hold my pace for a while - my swim pace for a sprint is the same as it is for a half. I pay a lot of attention to recovery - diet, foam rolling, self-massage with the Stick, ice baths at times - whatever I can do to aid recovery. I did my first 70.3 last year, and if it weren’t for crashing on the bike (I still finished), I would have recovered pretty well - maybe a bit slower than a lot of people.

I honestly don’t know what this all means long term - I’m still really learning about the disease and how it affects me. I love doing triathlons, climbing mountains, hiking, trail running, canoeing, camping, and things like that, and it hasn’t prevented me from having fun.

Anyway, that’s my boring story. Sorry I got kind of long-winded. Good luck to your girlfriend - it sounds like she has a positive attitude and is active, and it’s great that you’re supportive!

My wife has a mild case of Sjogrens. Luckily for her it just means she has to try extra hard to keep hydrated. Also luckily she is more of the finish and finish strong type of runner rather than, beat anyone else out there type. Definitely something she needs to keep a watch over though.

I also work with people who have rheumatoid arthritis. For them medication and strength training seem to help quite a bit, until a big flair up happens. Then it is just wait it out unfortunately.

My girlfriend has the Sjogrens as well. It’s mainly an annoyance to her.

I have systemic lupus…

Anyway, that’s my boring story. Sorry I got kind of long-winded. Good luck to your girlfriend - it sounds like she has a positive attitude and is active, and it’s great that you’re supportive!

Travis this is great. My girlfriend will love reading this. Sounds like you’re on a good track yourself. Good luck!

There should be an “Athletes with Lupus” group or something. Maybe I’ll start something on FB. I dunno.

There should be an “Athletes with Lupus” group or something. Maybe I’ll start something on FB. I dunno.

I could definitely see some value in that - there seems to be a lot of confusion as to what people with Lupus can safely do, probably because there isn’t any good data. How much is too much? Maybe people find out they have it and give up on fitness because they don’t know where to draw the line? It’s kind of a weird, confusing disease, and there doesn’t seem to be a lot of good answers available.

Mad respect to you and all others struggling with this disease.

lupus has a ton of different manifestations and so its really hard to say what a person with lupus can or can’t do depending on what their medical issues are.
lupus can affect your heart, kidneys, skin, pretty much everything.
some people have very limited kidney involvement, some more lung, etc,. etc,.

I don’t have lupus, but I am dealing with idiopathic uveitis, presumed to be caused by an auto-immune disease. So I’m being treated with systemic meds for an unknown auto-immune disease and having a barrage of eye treatments to preserve my vision (from all the uveitis-associated problems like chronic cystoid macular edema).

My rheumatologist was concerned about the volume of training I’m doing, but is now happy as my blood work keeps coming back good. She’s still concerned about the race-day stress from an Ironman, but isn’t recommending I pull out. Having a good doctor watching your health and monitoring your blood is worth it’s weight in gold. It’s not easy to deal with, and my general health (from the eyes down) is probably better than folks with “regular” auto-immune issues. The main problems I have to deal with are from the medication. It’s really sensitized me to my general health and nutrition - if I’m sick, I have to stop some medication, and stopping meds is not good for my long term vision prospects.

I’m lucky that most of the effects I have to deal with are vision-related. Sometimes my meds make me lethargic or nauseous. Sometimes I just have to rest up. Occasionally coping is mentally tough, so all the best to your girlfriend and everyone else dealing with “incurable” disease.

More good responses. Thanks everyone!

I did go ahead and create an FB group. Feel free to join and/or invite others:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/276374355787030/

I’m not sure it’ll go anywhere, but it’s worth a try.

My wife was diagnosed with “probable lupus” a few years ago after stuggling through IM CDA with serious joint pain, which came out of nowhere. Today I would consider her a mild-Lupus case, and it does not keep her from training 99% of the time. She luckily never had and bad reactions to sunlight either. Her symptoms are mostly occasional joint pain, and she has found that a Gluten free diet has really helped. She just takes some Advil when she needs it, but has a standing low-dose Pretazone (sp) prescription if she needs it, which she never has. It clearly is not hurting her performance as she continues to get faster and qualified for Kona this year!! Clean diet has really helped. Her doc said “ensure that you have a good diet and get some exercise”. Easy check on both of those.

PM me is you need anything.

Hi!

I’m not sure what she does from a diet prospective, but I’m about 3.5 weeks into a 30 day paleo challenge, and the more I read/listen to books/blogs/podcasts on the diet, the more sense it makes for someone with autoimmune disease. Check out Robbwolf.com This is something you could do together, too… there are a lot of triathletes on here that run Paleo, and I think you might be surprised. This is the podcast that convinced me to change, or at least try a paleo approach: http://triswimcoachonline.com/tri/paleo-triathletes-interview-with-coachtriathlete-mark-pomery-podcast-40/ The result I’ve found is that I’ve leaned out a hair (I was already single digits body fat), I’m less tired all the time and I’m recovering faster from bigger workouts.

As well, my (wife’s) cousin has Lupus. She is on zero drugs, as they would ruin her singing voice (she’s in opera)… and she treats it successfully with diet. While she doesn’t call it Paleo, that’s basically what she’s doing. She’d tell you that she’s “Gluten Free-Vegan”… When she was first diagnosed, she removed everything inflammatory from her diet, including nightshades, eggs, and a million other things I don’t remember. We discussed diet a lot while she was visiting us last weekend, and her take was that while we call it different things, the paleo diet has really changed her life. She also does some supplements including vitamin D, fish oil, glutamine, glucosamine, probiotics, calcuim/magnesium (note: all recommended by the paleo crowd). And finally, she’s found that doing Bikram (hot) Yoga is restorative enough for her body that she doesn’t need, or can reduce her intake of pain meds.

"Some people think endurance sports make it worse, others think it helps. The sports doctor was interested in me as a special case, but he didn’t really have much to offer, honestly. I felt like the main character in Idiocracy when he visited the doctor… "

Well, as long as your specialist didn’t recommend Brawndo :wink:

lol! Lupus craves electrolytes!

Coincidentally, I was just at my doctor today, and she also brought up the idea of going gluten-free.

All the cool kids are doing it.

Thanks for the posts.

One question I have is how common are auto-immune problems in people who are already living a healthy, active lifestyle? Is their prevalence or chance of showing up the same for active vs. non-active people?

Not a very specific question, but wondering if any studies have been published on the subject.

my daughter,who just turned 15, just got diagnosed with lupus–no pain,just a rash and bad blood tests–she is an athlete (swimmer and diver) and we are active outdoor people–everything I looked at on the web made me feel like real athletics (as opposed to just occasionl gym exercise) were over. I am thrilled to see a website where people are still doing their sport with a little modifications–we’d love there to be forum where lupus athletes talk about positive interventions, rather than how much you can’t do anymore–I’m not super tech saavy–but anyplace real upus athletes can communicate would be so helpful