Building trades have many folks who are not legally resident in America. I would think they are going into hiding. If they get substantial rain there are going to be mudslides. Rebuilding is going to be very expensive.
Because it was going to be cheap otherwise?
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I think the bigger issue is going to be the slow Permitting process in LA. Iâve heard it is very very bad, now add in thousands of new homes.
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When I hear empowerment slogans like We Will Rebuild after catastrophic weather events in places susceptible to catastrophic weather events like LA, NO, Florida
Maybe take the hint?
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I am fully expecting a second wave of migration. Over the past 5 years (coinciding with pandemic) there has been a significant shift in folks fleeing California for more Red state, such as Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, etc. Retired civil service with good pension plan, wealthy and work from anywhere, and retirees who sold and cashed out.
This is not entirely surprising, as post Katrina many people landed in eastern Texas or the Atlanta area. I expect there are many people who have been looking for an excuse to get out of California, and the disaster, frustration with both real and perceived logistics that contributed to it, and then relief money payouts is the prime opportunity to jump.
Possibly but I have to ask, what relief money payouts?
And Trump says he wonât need Canadian lumber in the upcoming tarriff trade war.
Up to 30% of the softwood used in the US comes from Canada.
Between the demand for materials and labour, building is about to get extremely expensive down there.
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Insurance and, or relief. I am assuming there will be some sort of relief/federal support program.
If the homeowners had insurance, and many didnât, it would cover the rebuild cost at the absolute most. A $6m house in the Pallisades is a $2m house on a $4m plot. Homeowners are f*cked and the better question is whether mortgagees are going to dip their toes into suing folks for deficiencies. Iâm not aware of any real federal program thatâll offer support - maybe low five-figure grants from FEMA to the extent they exist and are allowed by the new admin to pay anyone in California.
It was never going to be cheap but it just looks like more and more expensive.
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Great scene.
Sheâs got huuuuuuge tracks of land.
I enjoy watching a youtube channel by Peter Santenello. He basically goes around and explores different cultures. He had a video on how the rebuilding in Lahaina was coming along.
Permitting and environmental concerns seem to be the biggest issues. It might be a good watch to see a bit of the future in LA.
For anyone who hasnât watched his channel, he has some really interesting videos. He spends time with people who do any number of things that might be considered âoutside the normâ. I havenât watched a lot of them, but he really comes across as non-judgemental.
The 1000 +/- homes in Louisville/Superior CO have almost entirely been rebuilt from the fire 3 years ago. Most were rebuilt quite a bit quicker. Cycling through those areas you basically wouldnât know a fire hit there just 3 years ago. The local governments relaxed some building requirements to help get things done quickly. Of course, the fire loss was much smaller than in LA, but it was big relative to the local infrastructure.
I always wonder about the clean up process.
Up here we have pretty strict environmental regulation. Houses have to be manually dismantled and each item taken for disposal or recycle separately - canât just knock the thing down with an excavator, chew it up and dump it in a bin in one day. The cost is very high.
In houses built pre-1990 hazardous materials assessments have to be done before demo and care taken to dispose of lead paint, asbestos, etc.
How do you work around rules like this in a massive disaster with thousands of holes to rebuild? How will we work around this when we are levelled by a big earthquake?
I mean you can just make stuff up⌠Net domestic migration in California has been negative since 1989. It was greater in 2021 and 2022 but returning to normal. This isnât a new trend, or a âsignificant shiftâ.
I think the fires did a lot of that work for them. What are the environmental requirements for disposing of ash?
Ash littered with asbestos and lead? Probably worse than if it those substances were contained within the building product they were originally part of.
Here, sometimes buildings are covered in scaffolding and encapsulated in plastic with air filtration systems so demo of substances that produce hazardous dust can be done safely. Things like asbestos containing stucco, shingles etc.
Interesting. For sure those houses that burned have asbestos and lead too, so many SoCal homes are from the 50s/60s