This is pretty interesting…
http://www.bicycling.com/bikes-gear/2011-bike-and-gear-previews/look-keo-power-pedals
Polar back from the dead in power meters? Time will tell. Can’t wait to look closer at IB.
I’ll be interested to see more details on ANT+ vs. low power Bluetooth, the last time I looked the argument against BT for these applications seemed pretty compelling.
This is pretty interesting…
http://www.bicycling.com/...ook-keo-power-pedals
Polar back from the dead in power meters? Time will tell. Can’t wait to look closer at IB.
I’ll be interested to see more details on ANT+ vs. low power Bluetooth, the last time I looked the argument against BT for these applications seemed pretty compelling.
Meh…
Definitely interesting and thanks for sharing. I personally think it is a miss to only allow a consumer to use a Polar head unit. From what I can tell, people are very picky about what they want in regards to display - this limits your options. With the price point being as high as stated, it might keep people away with the lack of options.
That being said, I’m very interested to experience how these pedal based power meters perform and I’d love to hear more on why Polar thinks BT is the way of the future.
Drew
One kind of computer is a big miss I think. But time will tell.
One kind of computer is a big miss I think. But time will tell.
Not only is it their proprietary computers, but the damned things don’t have anywhere near enough memory for 1s recording of power data for even moderate length rides.
Pffft…Polar still doesn’t “get it”…
One kind of computer is a big miss I think. But time will tell.
Not only is it their proprietary computers, but the damned things don’t have anywhere near enough memory for 1s recording of power data for even moderate length rides.
Pffft…Polar still doesn’t “get it”…
Do you know how Garmin 310xt rates in that area?
Yes, I’m being lazy and not looking it up. How much memory do they have? Can you “upgrade” the memory somehow (like you can on an actual computer)? I assume no, so if what you say is true that’s a big issue.
Drew
That being said, I’m very interested to experience how these pedal based power meters perform and I’d love to hear more on why Polar thinks BT is the way of the future.
I think they are talking about the new Bluetooth Low Energy which looks pretty interesting for this kind of applications: http://www.bluetooth.com/English/Products/Pages/low_energy.aspx
Don’t forget ANT+ is owned/controlled by Garmin from 2006 http://www.thisisant.com/company, not good for Polar…
Yes, I’m being lazy and not looking it up. How much memory do they have? Can you “upgrade” the memory somehow (like you can on an actual computer)? I assume no, so if what you say is true that’s a big issue.
Drew
From the wattage list:
There’s a table of recording time for various options and recording rates for the CS600X. With 1s recording and cadence, speed, and power recording enabled, you’ve got 5h 40min of recording time. You can almost double that by switching to 2s recording, but then you’re throwing away data.
If you use their GPS sensor as well…then the 1s recording time goes down to 3h 20min.
And the other 2 head units are even less.
This is pretty interesting…
http://www.bicycling.com/...ook-keo-power-pedals
Polar back from the dead in power meters? Time will tell. Can’t wait to look closer at IB.
I’ll be interested to see more details on ANT+ vs. low power Bluetooth, the last time I looked the argument against BT for these applications seemed pretty compelling.
Meh…
Read all of the discussion on wattage earlier. Watch the tech demo video. Meh was my general sentiment as well.
Anyone else think the electronics pods look horribly placed as well? Looks like it would have bad cornering clearance and be potentially very easy to take out on something like a curb.
nytro just posted this on FB…
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Good Video Demo of Keo Power…LOOK is beating everyone else to the table at this…
http://www.polar.fi/en/about_polar/news/Polar_and_LOOK_launch_together_power_pedals
I tried to get my hands on a system to look at it closer, but that was not an option. They were behind glass and not all elements were there.
H
Good Video Demo of Keo Power…LOOK is beating everyone else to the table at this…
http://www.polar.fi/...ogether_power_pedals
But doing it in their typical half-assed fashion (as it relates to PMs). I agree with that Nytro post above. They needed to make this a “game changer”, but it’s actually more of a “me too” type of product. Tell me, what advantage is there to that system over Quarq, SRM, or PT…or heck, even Polar’s own previous PM? The novelty is that it’s in a pedal. Big whoop. How is that an advantage, especially when the orientation of the pedals appears to be a critical setup item?
my guess: from my experience from Polar (2 power meters, half a dozen running watches…) they are releasing this for marketing not engineering reasons. A lot of people will buy it for the gee-whiz factor, only to run into the memory and display limitations. Polar will then release Gen2 that will solve some of these problems (with the purchase of an entirely new unit) only in introduce other problems. Repeat ad infinitum.
I’ll be waiting to see what Metrigear’s engineers come up with while I happily use my bullet proof wired PT.
my guess: from my experience from Polar (2 power meters, half a dozen running watches…) they are releasing this for marketing not engineering reasons. A lot of people will buy it for the gee-whiz factor, only to run into the memory and display limitations. Polar will then release Gen2 that will solve some of these problems (with the purchase of an entirely new unit) only in introduce other problems. Repeat ad infinitum.
I’ll be waiting to see what Metrigear’s engineers come up with while I happily use my bullet proof wired PT.
My thoughts exactly…oh, and there will be NO way to turn off HR recording to save memory either…which just goes to further show that Polar considers themselves to be in the HR monitor business and NOT in the sports performance monitoring business.
That’s almost cool.
Have they bought out Metrigear and the Vector Power Meter? It would appear very similar technology and patents to what they were promising but have yet to bring to market. If not, and they still exist with an Ant+ version, then one or the other will fail, as they’re almost identical on face value. My guess would be the Ant+ wins with they way the industry is shifting away from proprietary gear to a more open source way of doing things.
I’m not keen on using Polar and am very happy with my Garmin setup but the flexibilty to move the Polar PM setup from one bike to another is nice. I don’t want to use 808s on my roadie and cranks aren’t compatible between the TT/road bikes, so this might be a solution with a couple of extra transmitters as opposed to stumping up for 2 PMs.
Fail. Some companies just don’t get “what athletes want”.
Not only is it already a failure - I’ll tip it won’t be publicly released till around this time next year. Spring 2011 my ass.
Fail. Some companies just don’t get “what athletes want”.
Not only is it already a failure - I’ll tip it won’t be publicly released till around this time next year. Spring 2011 my ass.
What do athletes want? Yet another tech goodie to make them THINK they are improving? Or perhaps another outlet for their ‘indiscretionary’ income to help delude themselves that they are somehow special? How many of the power meter users on this forum can ACTUALLY, QUANTITATIVELY, PROVE a power meter made any difference in their racing results?
A power meter, like a car, is a tool, nothing less, nothing more. If a car starts, stops, and gets you where you need to go, then it is a valuable tool. It doesn’t REALLY matter what make or model of car it is as they all, more or less, perform the same function.
So Polar decided to keep using their WIND protocol: BFD. So Polar decided to use their existing computers: BFD. So Polar doesn’t always get their products right the first time: BFD. If you don’t like it because you can’t possibly live without certain features, THEN DON’T BUY IT.
By the way, you haven’t touched one, smelled one, used one, paid for one, or even seen one in person; So what gives you the right to denigrate it?
More than likely, if Polar and Look had decided to support Ant+, most of you would complain that you could’t use other pedals with the pedal spindles…
For the record,
Fail. Some companies just don’t get “what athletes want”.
Not only is it already a failure - I’ll tip it won’t be publicly released till around this time next year. Spring 2011 my ass.
What do athletes want? Yet another tech goodie to make them THINK they are improving? Or perhaps another outlet for their ‘indiscretionary’ income to help delude themselves that they are somehow special? How many of the power meter users on this forum can ACTUALLY, QUANTITATIVELY, PROVE a power meter made any difference in their racing results?
and I’m not alone…and that’s not even including using it as a training load data logger or pacing device.
By the way, you haven’t touched one, smelled one, used one, paid for one, or even seen one in person; So what gives you the right to denigrate it?
What gives you the right to tell people they can’t have an opinion about something based on the specifications/details that Polar provides?