(Long Post, And It's Not That Great Of A Read, But Maybe You Can Do Better) Have you ever reached the point of no return, where you've gone so long, so hard

…so far into an intensity you didn’t think you could manage that you found yourself crying?

I was thinking of the “dirty secrets” thread on my ride today, and that led to the thought “I like crying every once in a while, it makes me feel alive in some strange way. (Men Today! Bunch of Pussies!)” The stream of consciousness flashed back to summer of '02 when I was living in Eugene, Oregon. I had just recently moved there and didn’t have a job, or a car. I had a road bike, which was way too big for me, that I’d cruise around and check out the city on. I didn’t actually train on this bike, I just liked the feeling of going fast, and would ride for an hour or so most days racing the cars for short durations, which was possible because the speed limit in downtown Eugene is in the 25-35 range.

Anyhow, an ad popped up in the paper for this little hippieish resort called Breitenbush Hot Springs. I checked out there website and I wanted the job, which included living there. When I called the people up they asked if I’d ever been there, and I hadn’t. They said I should check it out first. So, not knowing anybody in Eugene, and with no bus routes that went there, I had the bright idea that I could just saddle up and ride my ass up there.

They serve dinner at 6pm, so I figured leaving at 6am would give me plenty of time to make the 120 mile trek to this little mountain get-away. I loaded up on a box of some type of peanut butter cereal, took a fat rip from my bong and then left promptly at 6am, doing all of about 12mph. I knew it was going to be a bitch of a ride and didn’t want to kill myself out of the hole by doing 20mph for the first hour or so.

The first 50 miles, done in about 4 hours, was simple, considering I had been riding about 50 miles a week, and never longer than about 10-15 miles at any one time. By 70 miles it was around noon and I recall thinking it was time to pick it up, because I was only about 50 miles out and still felt pretty good. I went from my steady 12mph up to about 17-18mph. That lasted all of an hour. I was then fried. In a bad way. I could hardly turn the pedals over, so I stopped at a gas station and loaded up on reeses pieces and gatorade.

It was about 1:30, and I only had about 30 or so miles to go, which was reassuring, as I knew I had 4 1/2 hours to make it to dinner. No problem. I was off once again and feeling much better. About five minutes later, I came upon one of the first hills. Oh shit. About five minutes after that I was laying on the side of the road, laughing hysterically. I’d never felt better than when I laid down at that moment. My thumb went out to ask for a ride, and I figured it was Oregon where everybody is good and nice and I was sure to hitch a ride further up the road. After a good 20 minutes of that, and having been passed by scores of pick up trucks, which pissed me off, I saddled up once again.

I don’t remember the next 20 miles, but it took me about 2 1/2 hours because I arrived in Detroit, the last city before Breitenbush, at 4:30. I didn’t have a cabin reserved at Breitenbush, and knew I’d have to come back to Detroit to sleep for the night, but damn I was hungry and the sign said it was only 12 miles to my destination. Plus a lady at the gas station said the hard part was all over. That 12 mile stretch is the longest road I’ve ever ridden. In reality, it probably gains 1000’, tops, but I’ve never done a climb that hard to this day. It was murder turning the cranks over and when 5:30pm rolled around I thought for sure I had passed the turn-off. There was absolutely no way I was turning around though, only to have to backtrack again if I hadn’t passed it. So I kept going. I was getting super-emotional. Cursing the lady at the gas station, cursing the peanut butter cereal for not providing me with more juice, cursing myself for having smoked before I left, cursing the road, just plain cursing to curse.

Finally, I see the sign saying Breitenbush in about a mile. Redemption. A shot of energy runs through me. But that only lasts for about 10 seconds. I soon find out I have to traverse a dirt path with loose rocks everywhere, and it’s much steeper than the road I’d been riding. Whatever. I move on.

I couldn’t turn the cranks over while sitting down at that point, not even close. So, I was out of the saddle, probably at about 20rpm or so, just enough to not fall over. The back wheel would slip every few rotations of the cranks, and this pissed me off so bad that my eyes got real moist-like. By the time I got to the entrance, my eyes were ready to burst and full-on crying was to commence. However, I didn’t quite reach the point of having those little guys running down my cheeks. I got there about 5 minutes before 6, and one of the girls who lived there was quite inspired by my story/escapade and invited me to stay at her cabin for the weekend so I wouldn’t have to go back to Detroit after dinner. Nice.

I kind of regret the fact I didn’t push myself to the point of crying. It seems like there would have been some type of, forgive me for the new-ageiness, emotional release or something.

I’m not the greatest writer, I know, but I’d be interested to hear your “I kicked my own ass so hard I broke down in tears, or nearly did” story.

i don’t have a story…yet, but i loved your’s. thanks for sharing.

I’m sure Monk will find one soon enough…

Dinoflagellates make the ocean glow green.

Yes. Once during a 10K erg test. I had been on a plane for 6 hours. Got back to campus around 6 or 7 pm. Ate a couple slices of pizza, and then went down to the boathouse at about 10 pm to rip off my test. I brought a coxswain friend of mine with me to help me through it and a heavy Zeppelin mix-CD. About 6K in or so, I start to be dead. Totally dead. My legs are jello. My brain is fried. I am done. My cox has to give me a sharp jab in the back a couple times. I lost it. I don’t remembermuch of it, I just remember feeling totally helpless and afraid and crapped on and emotionally spent. But I finished. Worst erg test of my life and one of the best at the same time.

Second time was over this past lifting. I did 100 squats with a shade over my body weight on the bar. Go until you can’t go any more, then rest about 10 seconds and go again. I got close to 35 straight, then about 20, then I started going in chunks of 10 until 85. Then I started in 5’s. The last 5 I did as 3/rest/2. I remember thinking my legs wouldn’t hold me if I went down. I remember losing my shit totally. I would have sold my soul on the spot to not do another one. Brain just quit on me. That was probably the deepest I ever dug. It’s all a blur, except for that same feeling of total helplessness and fear - pure, primal terror that my body would just collapse and fail.

I’ve never gone there alone. It seems almost impossible that one could do it without at least a little prodding. Afterwards you are so kicked that you can’t even enjoy what you achieved. But those are the workouts I think I will ALWAYS remember.

Not an athletic story, and I maybe slightly off topic, but as a student I was on a team of about 25 people to organize a 3 day show. 3 of us ended up doing most of the work. With the last minute preparation and everything happening during the show we were really over our heads and I ended up sleeping only 20 hours over 6 days, while skipping a lot of meals (I lost 10% of my weight). I don’t want to go into the details, but I found myself in a mental place that I did not even know existed. The tricks that your own mind can play on you are pretty incredible. I somehow luckily found my way to a phone booth, crying and calling my parents for help. Just at the tone of my voice, they dropped at once what they were doing and were there in no time. It took me a few days of rest to recover and understand what had just happened to me. You can be sure that I now watch my sleep and food intake carefully as I have no intention to ever go back to that place.

Yes, I’ve made myself cry while riding. Something about bonking just kills me. That plus the steepest hill I ever climbed will apparently make me cry. Especially after I realized I was on the aforementioned hill due to a wrong turn.

Sorry I don’t have a good story.

The below is a (lenghty) tale of how stupidity and determination can combine to help us achieve mediocrity. I pretty much broke down when I got home. I originally wrote the below as an email to a mate of mine.

I started the route of la marmotte whilst in grenoble on the 8th June 2004. I wasn’t feeling real good to start with (I have been in bed on anti-inflammatories, a bit stressed/depressed and not sleeping or eating properly etc.) but arranged with Mel that I would start it anyway, and call her whenever I needed to be picked up. (got diagnosed with a virus once I got back too…)

La Marmotte starts with the col de croix de fer, and I got about halfway up before a little ‘cardiac episode’ (which I later had diagnosed as an SVT though I didn’t know this at the time). This was quite different from simply pushing too hard. My HR went through the roof (well over 200), I got dizzy and really tired and I couldn’t hear anything. I basically fell off the bike and lay on the road on my side for 5 minutes or so. After a while a guy rode up (an aussie in full francais de jeux kit) thinking I was dead. after 10 minutes, my HR was still over 200. I walked futher up the road to somewhere I could lay down. I ate my bananas and drank my water and waited another 10 minutes until things got back to ‘normal’ (HR around 150). I realised I would’t be able to do the full ride, so decided to just finish croix de fer and then call Mel to come pick me up. I then grovelled for the next 2 hours or more to get to the top of croix de fer. 39-26 for most of it with lots of zig zags and stopping. I didn’t really admire the scenery much, though it was pretty good. I had honestly thought that croix de fer was not that hard, but maybe I’ll check more carefully next time. I was absolutely hammered by the top. I tried to call Mel but could’t get through. After a long lunch I descended croix de fer (50 minutes of descent) to a place where I could meet Mel. Still couldn’t reach Mel, so rode back to bourg d’oisans to wait.

I spent a lot of time in bourg d’oisan trying to call Mel on all the different numbers i could think of and even called Cam in Paris for some help, but to no avail… It turns out that I didn’t have the right numbers to contact Mel and she wasn’t expecting to pick me up for another 5 hours. I didn’t know this at the time, so I killed some time in bourg d’oisans and tried to call Mel some more, but eventually decided I needed something to do to kill a couple of hours. For some reason, I decided to ride alpe d’huez

It started off really hot at the bottom but I felt ok. I honestly thought I would do a bit better this time, as last time I didn’t really know what I was doing and I tried to pace myself so I wouldn’t have to stop. However, I really started to struggle towards the 60 minute mark and was really thirsty. The next time I saw a water stop I used it as an excuse for my first stop. I knew things weren’t going right, because I still had about 6 turns to go and I should have almost been finished. The quick water stop turned in to a 12 minute stop to drink 2 full bottles of water and eat 3 muesli bars before I felt better. The rest of the ride was horrible, I stopped several times, but only had one more corner left to go when… the road was closed, and so I had to take the back way in to alpe d’huez. This is where my left hamstring started to cramp up. Just before the top, my quads were cramping as well. I had to sit down for long enough to let the quads relax, by which time the hamstrings were locking again :slight_smile:

Literally as I passed the sign for the entrance for alpe d’huez it started to rain lightly. 1 minute later, by the time I made it around a roundabout in to town, it was raining heavily and so I took a photo from under cover. I was getting nervous about descending in the rain and there was lightening around, so I decided to skip the descent to the tourism office and just take a quick photo in town. I changed my mind about this too when it then started to HAIL, and the thunder and lightening got a bit freaky. Another failed phone call for help and I decided to get down the hill before it got much worse.

Well, it got worse on the descent. I had the back brake locked fully on the whole way down with the front brake half on for most of it and fully on for the hairpins. the hail wasn’t too bad, but because the road had been so hot, the rain was turning to steam so you could’t see more than 10 metres in places. I was pretty scared on the way down and actually stopped again at one stage to wait under cover. During several more failed phone calls and a chat with a french guy who had decided to get off his motorbike and wait for a taxi, I was starting to get pretty cold and the rain was easing up, so I started riding back to town.

After I got back to bourg d’oisan, Mel called and was probably surprised by my level of distress, as she obviously hadn’t realised that I had been calling for help. I killed some time by buying some jerseys and stuff. The guys in the bike shop thought I looked pretty silly, and thought it was even sillier when I told them I had climbed croix de fer and d’huez and had considered doing la mamotte. They were very polite (once I told them I was australian and not english) but basically said that a man of my stature/talent was not cut out for that kind of thing :wink: (I weighed almost 90kg at the time)

After some hot chocolates to warm up and a nice long sit in the rain waiting for Mel, we drove home, showered and went to bed with a HR around 100, more than 2 hours after the finish. Couldn’t sleep much during the night and 3 days later I am still feeling it.

I really don’t want to ride the bike again for the rest of the trip and have sworn to ‘learn my lesson this time’, although I am still claiming that I tried to do the right thing by not carrying on for the full course, it was only the telecommunications that got in the way :wink: I also think that if I add up my total kilojoules consumed during 6 hours of riding, it might not add up to what I actually needed (6 small muesli bars, 2 cans of coke, a sandwich and a coffee)

Lanterne Rouge by name, very Lanterne Rouge by nature

Appendix 1 - Lessons Learned

  • I need to lose about 15kg before I try to do any real sport
  • Once you start drinking coke, don’t EVER stop
  • ALWAYS MAKE SURE YOU CAN CALL FOR HELP!
  • Campag Record is a necessity, not a luxury
  • Recreational riders should stick to recreational riding
  • Always carry enough carbs
  • Don’t try to ride too soon after a long flight or drive
  • If other people are worried that you might be about to die, then maybe you should be worried too
  • If you’re not feeling good to start with, chances are you won’t feel any better afterwards, so wait for another day

I ran my first marathon at age 15. As an unathletic youth, I wasn’t concerned about my time, just finishing the race. I believe every run I completed over 17 miles in training reduced me to tears. Later that same year, after I had finished the race, someone asked me what it felt like to run that far. My response was simple, “run until you want to break down and cry, and then go for another hour.”

Now having done an Ironman, a couple 1/2s, and putting in some really long, tough workouts, I’ve still never felt the emotional anguish and struggle which I did years ago, as a 15 year old, fighting to run just one more mile.

Fag.

Thanks for sharing…especially like the “took a fat rip from my bong” part.
Its probably what got you thru the journey.

D’Ya see Elvis on that last climb?..I usually see him when I push the envelope way past the sticky part…

cheers

fish

i have literally cried lots of times while training long, specifically for running.

i can remember one run in particular during an early spring, in which i had to do a 20 in preparation for the flying pig marathon. my husband was kind enough to accompany me by riding alongside me via his mother’s mtb. and yes, his seat was WAY too low.

if you’ve ever been in the southern ohio valley during early spring, you know that the weather is totally unpredictable. those of you who rode in the TOSRV know what I mean…freezing rain to high heats.

i did this run on the loveland bike trail…which i swear i have horrible running karma with. the only thing i had before going out was half of a poptart, which i couldn’t even finish. my husband carried for me gu packs, water, and a little gatorade. i remember being exhausted before we even started, but had no choice but to run anyway.

off we went. within the first 7 miles we endured snow, sleet, and bouts of hard gusting winds. my poor husband was soaked. we carried on though. my feet were drenched and my ears were frozen, but we got to mile 10. at that point i was so hungry that i became dellusional and couldn’t help but think of a friend who had recently been in a horrible car accident which caused him to loose his legs. the thoughts were heartbreaking.

we were coming back, 9 to go. i was so tired, and was literally choking up and crying. i kept thinking of my friend and it upset me, and kept thinking of how my father might not live that much longer. not to mention the pouring rain at this point, along with hard balls of hail. we kept on–i tried to calm my mind.

with 5 miles left to go my husband, who really was soaked to the bones and cold, was encouraging me to finish and telling me we would get pizza. i liked that idea, and the sun came out, only for it to quickly disappear leaving a freezing temperature.

By the end, i was totally frozen, windburned, and had icies in my hair. My feet were little wrinkled prunes. My chest was sunk in and my lips were indigo. all i wanted was a frisch’s big boy–with extra tarter sauce. so, we packed it up and went to the restaurant…cold and wet. as i sat there i got more and more cold. i ate in about 2 seconds and my husband rushed me home where i laid on the couch all day feeling like a train wreck.

my body ached so badly. the elements really got me that day–and that was the last marathon i did.

gosh–just thinking of it makes me feel awful!