I have a tuscany now, just wanted to know how sienna rides?
Well, having ridden both I would say it is tough to beat the Tuscany for many riders provided the bike fits them correctly.
For larger riders I think the benefits of compact geometry is largely lost. They are better off on a parallel or horizontal top tube so they have a bit more seat tube and seat stay. I actually feel this makes the bike stiffer, or, more correctly, moves the stiffness of the frame farther up the bike and not concentrating it all in the bottom bracket.
IMO, Compact is best for frame sizes 47-55cm and for long torso, short leg riders who are continually fighting a battle to get a short enough seat tube and long enough top tube.
If that doesn’t describe you, then I think compact is strictly fashion. It isn’t for everyone.
The carbon seatstays do exert an effect on ride quality, effectively “quieting” the ride maybe just a triffle, possibly by just adding weight. In other words, the carbon may do nothing, it may just be extra weight in the rear of the bike that quiets down the sensation of vibration. The same (or greater) effect can be acheived by switching tires and/or wheels.
All in all, I think the Siena is probably the strongest offering in the titanium/carbon mix frames. The question is, with a Tuscany already in the stable, do you need it?
Looking at the Siena myself, as well.
I’m scheduled to meet with a fit specialist in 3 days to look at Siena vs. Ultimate.
I’ve ridden the Tuscany, and loved it. (of course, coming off of my 10+ year old Cannondale, I’d love just about anything!)
I was going for the carbon seat stays because I thought it would significantly increase comfort. Tom’s comments might make me think twice.
I’ll let you know what happens with my fitting…
I have never understood the anti-compact geometry comments. I guess its not that I don’t understand them, but I’m 6’2" and have owned an XL Siena from the first model that came w/o carbon stays. It fits me great. I also have a ML QR Picanti. (Luxury of working in a bike shop).
I like the ride of the Tuscany as well, but to me the compact geometry is something different and frankly fun to ride. I get great acceleration with it and it handles like nothing else that I’ve ridden (in a good way). Whether thats good or bad its always up to the individual. Ride one, if you like it buy it, if you don’t you’re not out anything and keep on with what you have (or buy something else that you like).
I’ve gone to a compact tt frame for similar reasons. I guess I take a little more simplistic view on some of these issues.
It seems to me though that if it is a fad then it may be one that will be around for a while. Manufacturers haven’t stopped making them, more and more people are still riding them (pros and amateurs alike). I get very few negative comments on the ride quality or performance of compact frames (aluminum, titanium, carbon, or any blend of).
I don’t know take this for what its worth…
Kyle Gillooly, Inside-Out Sports/Mail Order Manager