You may be right, maybe the previous days racing will dull the roadies speed. Also people not aiming at a GC place might hold back, \
Talking about making excuses for the triathletes, what the hell is this??? The triathletes do not need excuses, they need an act of Gawd!!!
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Just a tip: Lieto is a cat 1 cyclist and has competed in numerous NRC races. He’s no joke.
Also, the top 20 will be ‘racing’ the TT while everyone else will be going just fast enough to not get time cut. This is even more so when you have the TT between two stages like Big Bear and Thousand Oaks.
Hahaha! Well put! Thats it in a nutshell, though I wont be pleased at seeing Lieto & co. being whupped. BUT I`ll have a good laugh reading all the posts that will make excuses for them after: they where just training, all cyclists are dopers, they race long-distance, etc…
My faceplant picture wasnt in reference to any of the tri guys who are trying to go against the cyclists in the ToC. It was a “faceplant” in reference to you, because we’ve only been discussing this topic on ST for a few threads now.
Hahaha! Well put! Thats it in a nutshell, though I wont be pleased at seeing Lieto & co. being whupped. BUT I`ll have a good laugh reading all the posts that will make excuses for them after: they where just training, all cyclists are dopers, they race long-distance, etc…
My faceplant picture wasnt in reference to any of the tri guys who are trying to go against the cyclists in the ToC. It was a “faceplant” in reference to you, because we’ve only been discussing this topic on ST for a few threads now.
POPCORN!!! 
Seriously Monty, if you don’t think non-gc riders won’t hold back on the TT then I’ve got a bridge in NYC for sale cheap. And that triathletes won’t be going balls out to show how good they are? Even funnier.
Regardless, whatever training their doing up to the TT (unless it’s 6 half olys or 1/2 IMs in a row) it pales by comparison to racing for for six stages.
Please don’t start with “what Bjorn would have done” unless he’s racing for 6 stages before. Otherwise, who cares.
So the “ST” approved legit finish needs to be a top 20 place.
Seriously Monty, if you don’t think non-gc riders won’t hold back on the TT then I’ve got a bridge in NYC for sale cheap. And that triathletes won’t be going balls out to show how good they are? \
Hey I agree with you, I was just commenting on Goat’s comment about the triathletes making excuses after the race, and the irony of him starting the excuses for the cyclists…Of course the lead up will tire out the cyclists, and of course 1/2 of them will just be going to make the cutoff, I have said both before. ANd of course the triathletes will be doing their normal tri training, running and swimming all week too. No one will be tapered for this TT, but I do think that more than 20 guys will be going for it. I would say that at least 50 guys think they have a shot at top 20, so that many at least will be riding hard. What I hope is that whatever these guys bring to the day, they use it all up. We can critique their efforts after the fact, but until then I see no problem throwing out our predictions
I’m not sure how you can determine what will be ‘legit’ since the triathletes won’t be doing race intensity for 6 days prior. Sure there will be flat stages but racing is racing, and it’s not the same as training. I don’t think there’s an apples-to-apple comparison.
That said, a top 25 will demonstrate studliness. I don’t think anyone other than Lieto has a shot of being in that ballpark.
monty, I agree that it’ll be closer to 40 guys “racing” than 20 that Carl Spackler predicts.
Yes there will be more than half the field simply riding to the finish to stay in the race and use as little energy as possible. But in the same aspect, there will be more than 20 “racing”.
Simply look at the numbers:
8-12 riders (if not 1 per team) will be the the designated “time check” rider and the rider who goes all out to figure out key aspects of the stage in race conditions so they can give feedback to the RD.
Throw in the GC/TT guys going for the stage or making sure they stay in GC contact, and that will have more than 40+ guys “racing”.
Apologies, my reading comprehension is not so good after 4pm on Fridays.
triathlon is a different sport entirely i really dont get why people keep trying to compare the components of each.
im really sick of “triathletes are just people who are mediocre at the individual sports” comment.
at the best, this is a fun exhibition of the face of triathlon.
Well obviously you can’t read very well. Let me repeat what’s written on the funny picture you posted: “FACEPLANT - When trying Harder Doesn’t Make You A Winner, But Makes It More Fun For Others To Watch You Lose”. That could well be in reference to Chris Lieto trying hard at the TT, & it being being obvious how much faster the roadies are. AND I bet I wasn’t the only guy who interpreted it this way.
I know you’ve been discussing this on other threads, and now I’m bringing it up again. ST shouldn’t keep posting interviews about the upcoming event the either, because you’ve already discussed it - why not have a go at them as well?! I notice several posts down that you’re very happy to discuss this topic now that Monty’s chipped in. So do I still deserve the Faceplant?
Well obviously you can’t read very well. Let me repeat what’s written on the funny picture you posted: “FACEPLANT - When trying Harder Doesn’t Make You A Winner, But Makes It More Fun For Others To Watch You Lose”. That could well be in reference to Chris Lieto trying hard at the TT, & it being being obvious how much faster the roadies are. AND I bet I wasn’t the only guy who interpreted it this way.
I know you’ve been discussing this on other threads, and now I’m bringing it up again. ST shouldn’t keep posting interviews about the upcoming event the either, because you’ve already discussed it - why not have a go at them as well?! I notice several posts down that you’re very happy to discuss this topic now that Monty’s chipped in. So do I still deserve the Faceplant?
LOL, Your like the kid that laughs at the joke, yet doesnt realize the joke is on you. Especially when you started talked about Leito and the tri guys coming up with “excuses”. Thats the whole reason I added the picture. If your going to go around knocking the tri guys and bring up all these issues (that have already been discussed), I’m going to bust your chops. Thus funny pic, especially because you seemed to think the faceplant picture was actually for the tri guys. It obviously went over your head.
I dont mind talking about this TT, I just was busting your chops because your whole OP seemed to be all about busting on the tri guys than actually bringing up any real value to the discussion. Atleast bring up something original next time.
You may be right, maybe the previous days racing will dull the roadies speed. Also people not aiming at a GC place might hold back, \
Talking about making excuses for the triathletes, what the hell is this???
Read Dave Luscan’s post before mine, and you’ll realize that I was actually conceding a point that HE made. Hilarious that you actually go on to say the exact same thing, but then because you say it, it’s alright. We’re all just speculating about what will happen on the 7th. If you check out my original post, you’ll see that I actually have a point.
I read the previous threads on this subject and saw a ton of people actually believing that the twitter showdown was the real deal. I’m saying that come the 7th, the dream will be over.
I read the previous threads on this subject and saw a ton of people actually believing that the twitter showdown was the real deal. I’m saying that come the 7th, the dream will be over.
I actually brought in some hard facts from outside of your blinkered tri-experience. So yes I’m bringing something new. Bet you never heard of Michael Hutchinson. Other people are posting here and are able to have a decent discussion, but you dive in with a personal attack. Nice. I’m not a roady coming over to laugh at triatletes on a triathlete forum. I’m Triathlete & have been training & racing at all distances since 1991, so excuse me. Funny thing is you’re the only guy taking my post this way… Funny thing about this forum is that everytime I’ve posted here, I’ve gotten aggression from someone. What a healthy community this is!
I actually brought in some hard facts from outside of your blinkered tri-experience. So yes I’m bringing something new. Bet you never heard of Michael Hutchinson. Other people are posting here and are able to have a decent discussion, but you dive in with a personal attack. Nice. I’m not a roady coming over to laugh at triatletes on a triathlete forum. I’m Triathlete & have been training & racing at all distances since 1991, so excuse me. Funny thing is you’re the only guy taking my post this way… Funny thing about this forum is that everytime I’ve posted here, I’ve gotten aggression from someone. What a healthy community this is!
So let me get this straight. You start this whole thread with a personal attack/statement on Leito (talking about him making excuses already), and than you seem to be bothered when someone makes a joke on your comments?
It was a joke that you totally didnt get from the beginning, sorry about that.
I’m a roadie but I’m not coming in here to laugh at anyone. Everyone on this site except for jackmott can for the most part might kick my ass on a bike. Outside of WTC I believe wholeheartedly in The Ironman and the Ironman alone, the majestic beauty in and of and all around it’s reasoning but I know full and well that a purebred cyclist is stronger and faster by far as do the triathletes themselves, it’s no secret but like Spackler said, it’s not apples to apples, never has been and never will be.
Nothing against a triathlete however the truth may sting a bit, their own spectacle is equally as brilliant in their own light and right.
So let me get this straight. You start this whole thread with a personal attack/statement on Leito (talking about him making excuses already)
Did you actually read the Lieto interview? Or was it too long? And you actually think he’s not making excuses there? And so now I’m attacking Lieto for saying this? Gimme a break. I’ve made it clear in several places how I’d love Lieto to do well.
Now if Monty says something I’ve already said its “Oooh Monty, you’re soo right.” Talking about kids you’re like those little kids that are always brown nosing some bigger kid, and agreeing with every word. Let me give you a reality check:
THIS IS A FORUM. THIS WHERE PEOPLE DISCUSS DIFFERENT POINTS OF VIEW.
But of course on every forum there’re always a few people who use the anonymity to attack other posters. You’re a sad case.
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