Hello fairly new to the forums so go easy. I am going to build a Triathlon bike with parts bought from the classifieds on slowtwitch. So far I am looking a the P2 for the frame because it fits my body type well and is a proven winner, SRAM red components, and of course a Zipp wheel set. Thinking 1080 rear, 404/808 front. I need a bike that can be able to be competitive on different courses from **Ironman 70.3 California to ****Ironman 70.3 Florida. **This leaves my to the Aerobars. Here is what I am thinking as possibilities. HED Black Dog Carbon, I hear they are supper stiff and very adjustable. 3T Brezza, not quit the Ventus but a lot more adjustable. Zipp Vuka, Don’t know as much about it but it is made by zipp so must be good right?
Any insight into why I should choose one over the other or just general info on Aerobars is welcome. Also any other suggestions for diff Aerobars is appreciated.
Zipp Vuka, Don’t know as much about it but it is made by zipp so must be good right?
Any insight into why I should choose one over the other or just general info on Aerobars is welcome. Also any other suggestions for diff Aerobars is appreciated.
Tell me, do you drink KoolAid?
3T’s stuff is quality - and very Euro, so you style points (which are quickly lost because you’re a triathlete).
Basically, it doesn’t matter what bars you ride, as long as you can get a great position on them. Look at Chrissie - half the time she rides road drop bars with clip ons and still beats her closest compeition by half an hour.
Most shops that fit places will be happy to swap out multiple bars to make sure you get ones you like.
1.i think stifness is a red herring
2.less frontal area is better, you can judge this about as good as a wind tunnel by looking at em
3. the most important thing is comfort with these. can you get them in the position you want? then good. even if its non adjustable, it might just happen to be perfect. while an adjustable one might not be able to get where you want.
The 3T Brezza with 3T Ventus armrests and Blackwell WristRelief extensions is what Dan & I have found the most success with during our fit workshops. We have a couple shops that are willing to cobble it together for people. If I was going to universally recommend one bar, that’s the one I’d have to say. Of course, it’s like $900, so it ought to be nice.
The Zipp Vuka Bull set-up is a much better choice for most folks that the VukaAero. I don’t find it to be as adjustable quite as easily as the Brezza, since you have to cut the extensions. But, I think you do have more adjustability than on the Brezza, especially with the pad risers, wing-width-spacers, etc. For a top of the line modular bar that doesn’t have cables flying over the place, the Zipp one is awesome. I think it has a very comfortable “hoods” position, both in terms of length and not feeling like your going to fly off the end.
The HED Blackdog is also very nice, but I think the basebar is not quite as nice for when you are not in the aerobars. But HED’s clip-ons are super if you need to get really low, as they are super low in stack.
for what it’s worth (not much) i’m a big fan of my profile design carbon strykes and cobra wing base bar (could easily substitute a vuka-bull or syntace stratos cx base bar for better aerodynamics). i like the carbon strykes because they’re super adjustable and very comfortable even if they aren’t the most aero (ski bend). admittedly, you’re looking at some higher end components, but i guess when it comes down to it, i’m echoing others–comfort is important.
Hi I have the blackdogs on my P3C, super light (1/2 the weight of my vision stock bars), really comfortable especially in the hoods on my old Vision bars that came stock I used to get sore wrists when climbing in the hoods. No issues with the Blackdogs.
Couple of things to consider 1/ You need an over-sized stem for the blackdogs so you need to factor that into your costs i.e,. $900 + 100 for the stem. 2/ The aeropads were too narrow for me I am pretty big guy at 6’3 181lbs with wide shoulders. easily solved though HED have some pad extenders to make them wider…
Hi I have the blackdogs on my P3C, super light (1/2 the weight of my vision stock bars), really comfortable especially in the hoods on my old Vision bars that came stock I used to get sore wrists when climbing in the hoods. No issues with the Blackdogs.
Couple of things to consider 1**/ You need an over-sized stem for the blackdogs so you need to factor that into your costs i.e,. $900** + 100 for the stem. 2/ The aeropads were too narrow for me I am pretty big guy at 6’3 181lbs with wide shoulders. easily solved though HED have some pad extenders to make them wider…
These bars look cool as well!!!
I just picked up a Ritchey oversized stem for something like $19.00 (maybe $29?) and it’s light too. Check ebay.
“The 3T Brezza with 3T Ventus armrests and Blackwell WristRelief extensions is what Dan & I have found the most success with during our fit workshops.”
swap out the brezza with the new mistral (but, like jordan says, with ventus armrests) and you get a much more affordable bar, also one with an upturn at the end of the pursuits for better braking control. note lance riding a more traditional upturned extension yesterday. 3t doesn’t yet make this, but the blackwell extension gives you this, and is just about the right elevation relative to the armrest height of the 3t. that’s the best set up. but, this set up is not going to be easy to get in the short term (it should be easy to get, but retailers just still don’t understand the concept of modularity in aerobars).
Wow, so if those bikes are lined up at the steerer tubes, which it looks like the are, the pursuit position on the Zipp bar is much shorter than the others.
So this would put the rider in a much more upright position when riding the basebar than correct? I can see how that could be more comfortable and or better for climbing. But what about the popularity of all those forward sweeping or downward sloping basebars? Not appropriate for the average AG’er but better suited to TT’ers who still want to be relatively aero when riding the basebar?
If you spend more than the cost of a Vision aluminum base bare and extensions then you are just doing it for bling. Nothing out there is any more aerodynamic or durable. And please, don’t talk to me about weight; it just doesn’t matter.
Why do people go on and on about ajustability? A few centimeters up, down, forward or back just don’t make that much difference.
I believe they were in line when I shot the pic.
I had to use a shorter stem for the HED & even cut off about 3cm from the front. The Profiles make a good match for the HEDs as they are very adjustable in all aspects.
On the contrary, the Parlee has the best climbing feel compared to the other two with closer pursuit position.
Hello fairly new to the forums so go easy. I am going to build a Triathlon bike with parts bought from the classifieds on slowtwitch. So far I am looking a the P2 for the frame because it fits my body type well and is a proven winner, SRAM red components, and of course a Zipp wheel set. Thinking 1080 rear, 404/808 front. I need a bike that can be able to be competitive on different courses from **Ironman 70.3 California to ****Ironman 70.3 Florida. **This leaves my to the Aerobars. Here is what I am thinking as possibilities. HED Black Dog Carbon, I hear they are supper stiff and very adjustable. 3T Brezza, not quit the Ventus but a lot more adjustable. Zipp Vuka, Don’t know as much about it but it is made by zipp so must be good right?
Any insight into why I should choose one over the other or just general info on Aerobars is welcome. Also any other suggestions for diff Aerobars is appreciated.
When I think of adjustable bars, I think of bars that I can move very wide, forward, back and up and down if I need to. The Hed Black Dogs do not fall into this category. They are only adjustable IF you are able to get wider pads and riser shims from HED. I waited several weeks for my wider pads and shims. I made over a dozen phone calls (I kept track). After hearing countless times that they would be shipped, I finally went out and bought the Zipp Vuka Clipons and replaced the Hed Flip Lites that come with the Black Dogs. I finally have an aerobar set up I can use…Blackdogs with Zipp Vuka Clipons with Hed J-Bend extensions. The Black Dogs are great looking and stiff but are not adjustable out of the box.
My next set of bars will be from Oval Concepts. They are the only company that gets what adjustable means.
