Looking for feedback about these two bikes from those who have ridden them. I currently ride a QR Seduza and am looking to upgrade next year. I’m told that the geometry(s) are similar and i should be able to fit comfortably on either. What do you like/dislike about the bike? Thanks in advance.
To my knowledge, there’s not significant data on either about aerodynamics, and since they fit similarly, that’s one of the few things that matters.
I am curious as to the effect of bottles on the QR, since they seem so focused on the ‘shift’ concept. An aerobottle down there seems like it would cleanly fill out the bottom part of the triangle - is that good or bad?
QR seems to have a much better long-term track record than Kuota - this is their first decent bike aerodynamically. They may have hit it right though.
Depending on your size, the integrated seat post may make packing the bike more difficult, as you can’t remove it.
I think the QR did quite a bit of wind tunnel work on that bike. There were several discussions on here about the testing. I think it tested close or better to the p3.
The Kuota, I’ve not ridden them but I’ve spent a bit of time around them. From the looks they don’t appear to very aero. They have all the aero tricks, hidden brakes, shielded wheel etc. But the tubes have some sharp angles on them. The headtube is HUGE and the seat tube is more diamond shaped than airfoil shaped.
I think the QR did quite a bit of wind tunnel work on that bike. There were several discussions on here about the testing. I think it tested close or better to the p3.
I know that it was developed in the tunnel, and I’m sure it’s close/better than P3, my point was that I don’t think there’s any publicly available data. I could be wrong there.
I have not ridden either, but have some experience with Kuota service. I’d definitely get the QR. I wish QR would release thier wind tunnel data, but it is nice to know they did a lot of work in the wind tunnel when developing this bike. Kuota was not developed in the tunnel. The 2010 line for QR looks promising as well. Good pricing on the CD0.1 in an ultegra version.
I am curious as to the effect of bottles on the QR, since they seem so focused on the ‘shift’ concept. An aerobottle down there seems like it would cleanly fill out the bottom part of the triangle - is that good or bad?
I'm using a CD 0.1 with a Speedfil but am sure the bottle is affecting the aero badly. I've asked QR for their opinion on shifting the bottle away from the frame using two welded bottle cage sines but they never replied. I'm going to trial it myself next week. Apart from that I'm very happy with the bike. Had thought about a Scott Plasma 2 but the integrated seat post makes travel too difficult.
I would definetly buy a frameset and relagate my Lucero lite to a Practice / race bike. I think QR is dropping the ball and do not foresee them staying in the bike business long. Think they will be eaten up and line dicontinued. Shame seems Dan worked hard devolping QR. They started the hype about the Cd01 then dropped the ball in getting it out. Now there seems to be no promotion of their technology what so ever. They need to take a step back and take a page out of cervelo’s marketing department. Just my opinion for what its worth. Another 6 months I do see a fire sale . I might jump in then and get one.
I agree with the uncertain status of QR. They developed a great bike in the Cd0.1 and never really seemed to push the product. They had a great line of wetsuits too and then ran into some problems with the 2009’s and never put them out there. I hope they get their problems resolved because they can make a great product(s) and keep it affordable.
They started the hype about the Cd01 then dropped the ball in getting it out. Now there seems to be no promotion of their technology what so ever.
I’ve heard a rumor that QR is bringing a different bike to market next year instead of or in addition to the Cd.01.
from the data I’ve seen (0-10degree) my understanding is the cd 01 is as fast or faster then the P3C.
The kuota is going to be less aero then the CD01.
Well I would like to see it. But can they market it after having egg on their face abandoning the CD01.
They started the hype about the Cd01 then dropped the ball in getting it out. Now there seems to be no promotion of their technology what so ever.
I’ve heard a rumor that QR is bringing a different bike to market next year instead of or in addition to the Cd.01.
from the data I’ve seen (0-10degree) my understanding is the cd 01 is as fast or faster then the P3C.
The kuota is going to be less aero then the CD01.
I think the bigger question for QR after a disastrous 2009, ie no wetsuits to market, having trouble getting CD01’s to dealers in sufficient quantities & size runs to support sales, only recently getting sponsored athletes on the CD01, not being able to sell through their production run of Lucero type bikes for the second year in a row, is can QR recover enough to claw their way back to being a player, even a minor player, in the triathlon market?
Well I love my Lucero lite. Bought on bonktown for 860.00 plus shipping for the frameset. It is a shame about 2009. Looks like American Bicycle group if thats still the parent co. has their hands in to many things and they all suffer because of that.
It seems that things are on an up swing again. They actually approached me at Interbike to see if I could come back to help them with marketing, so they are aware what they are lacking. I however said no, for various reasons. That being said, I am sure they will be filling that role.
Herbert I hope so. I am pulling for them. You could not do it on a per iem basis? Seems pretty simple Market it towards men betwen the ages of 35 and 50. Tell them its the most aero thing out there. Back it up with honest wind tunnel data from a different yaw angle then all others and make it red and black and all carbon. Then have them ready for delivery before interbike so when them x-mas bonuses come in dad buys the frameset for himself instead of the xbox for the kiddies.
Brian, thanks for the post. I realize that the Kuota is not as aero as the cdo1, but the most aero bike is not necessary the quickest. The big selling point of the kuota is the stiffness in the frame and hence the transfer of power to the pedals/frame etc. I know that this does not make it the quickest either, but am curious about the trade off. Both are great bikes and will go fast.
dave
Brian, thanks for the post. I realize that the Kuota is not as aero as the cdo1, but the most aero bike is not necessary the quickest. The big selling point of the kuota is the stiffness in the frame and hence the transfer of power to the pedals/frame etc. I know that this does not make it the quickest either, but am curious about the trade off. Both are great bikes and will go fast.
dave
A flexy frame will certainly lose power, especially if the wheel rubs. I’ve heard of that being an issue for Cancellara out of the gate in TTs. Under 400 watts, it’s pretty much negligible, however. It only becomes significant around 700+ imo, which you never really see in triathlon.
Sorry I kinda got your post going in a different direction. My sincerest apologies. Andrew s right about the flex being neligable in triathlon. But if it is flex that bothers you go with the stiffest. If it is a matter of you just like one bike better then the other get that one. In the long run it will be the right choice because you will want to ride it every chance you get and that my friend will ultimetly make you a better rider. Sorry for typo’s on spin bike having family time whilst on slowtwitch.
“They actually approached me at Interbike to see if I could come back to help them with marketing, so they are aware what they are lacking.”
Well at least QR made ONE smart decision in 2009. Too bad (for them) you left. They wouldn’t be in this position. QR makes a great bike, but with poor marketing the effort is wasted.
cjw
Marketing or not, I’m lusting over the cd0.1. Too expensive for me now, but I’ve read (from another post here on ST) about the $3000 “ultegra” version coming out next year
http://www.bikesportmichigan.com/...itespeedArchon.shtml
http://reviews.roadbikereview.com/...urobike-awards-2009/
So I’m saving my pennies. Also, I’m not in love with the green-yellow paint job. Any more info on it? When? Exact specs? Can I get an Ultegra crank instead of the FSA one for a few extra $$$? Can I still get a red-black-white one at the 3K price?
Just found this with more info on the 2010 cd0.1 ultegra version:
http://roadcyclistbuyersguide.com/view_product.php?id=2499&type=bikes
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