Kiwami Triathlon Two-Piece Product Review All Products

Given the recent number of threads surrounding race and training apparel, I wanted to share the following, which is a comprehensive review of Kiwami two-piece triathlon suits. While quite long, each section has a bolded heading for easy navigation.

I want to start by giving a little background about my relationship with Kiwami Triathlon. At the end of the 2011 season, I had started to follow another strong amateur named Bill Robertson; he is an accomplished racer and also an accomplished writer. I noticed he was supported by a company called Kiwami, which at the time, I knew little about. After exploring Kiwami’s website and getting into a pair of their tri shorts, I was sold on having them create and customize my race kit. That said, at the time I was still a grad student and my budget was tight. I reached out to Andre (Director of Kiwami USA) and explained my situation, as well as my goals as an aspiring athlete, my credentials as a writer, and my broader involvement in the triathlon community. He saw that there could be mutual value in forging a partnership, and thus agreed to help me out with my kit. Since then, my relationship with Kiwami represents the quintessential partnership between an aspiring amateur and company; Kiwami has helped me out with my apparel needs, and at the same time, they have sought continuous advice from me on how to improve both their product and presence in the United States market.

Kiwami is dedicated to continuous improvement and excellence. In that spirit, when I started hearing a similar theme from prospective customers – “I really wanted to try Kiwami and have heard good things, but the descriptions on their website stink and do not really differentiate between the products, so I went with something else” – I approached Andre and shared the news. After some quick review, it didn’t take us long to realize that they were right; the product descriptions available on the internet were not very telling. So, thanks everyone for your feedback, and consider this an effort to act on it! I was instructed to put the latest and greatest Kiwami racing gear to the test.

What follows is a product review of Kiwami’s most popular two-piece triathlon clothing. Consider this Part 1, with Part 2 coming shortly to cover the one-piece options. Everything is broken down into bolded sections for easy navigation. I start with some general topics which, since they apply to everything, I recommend you read regardless of what garment you are considering, and then go into specific products. Everything comes from my own experience training and racing in these tops and bottoms. Not that I would do it any differently, but I want to explicitly highlight that I got specific instructions to make this a “no BS write-up,” so everything below represents my honest perspective.

Overall Experience: Obviously I am biased, but you would be hard-pressed to find another company that offers a better combination of quality and service. You won’t find Kiwami in stores because they decided to sell DTC in an effort to keep prices in line with the competition while offering higher quality products; e.g., cut out the $$ that goes to the middle man, invest it in the product instead. The kicker is that while most DTC companies struggle with the customer service element since that is not their sweet-spot, Kiwami hits service out of the park. If you call the “Contact Us” number on the website, someone from their team will literally spend more time with you on the phone than your physician; going over sizing, your wants and needs, and then recommending the right product…only to have it shipped immediately and at your door 3-5 days later. The return policy is great, and now, hopefully the product information will be solid too! I will end this section by saying I realize you may be thinking “of course Brad is going to say Kiwami is the best quality, he is one of their athlete ambassadors and even admits he is biased.” Against that backdrop, I want to point out that many World Champion athletes across distances ranging from IM to ITU Olympic events (including the Olympic medalist Brownlee brothers) choose Kiwami…and every company in the world is eager to send these guys and gals free stuff…

Customization: I could not find a better option anywhere, including my local T-shirt store. For between $5-$15 per logo, you can have pretty much anything printed. No rubbing, no peeling, and as little as a seven day turn-around, so this is perfect if you are rushed. You simply send in a vector style logo(s) with instructions on sizing and placement, Kiwami confirms it is workable, and boom, you have a kick-ass kit. This was put together in less than a week:

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Sizing: Particular details will follow in the product-specific reviews, but generally speaking, all of the bottoms run true , and the tops seem to run small. For instance, at 6 foot and a broad 160, I am a Med short pretty much across the board, but an XL in some tops. Put simply, the tops are tight and short. While a large top would be workable for me in the shoulders, they tend to ride up on the midsection. I find that an XL doesn’t ride up as bad, and at the same time, the material itself still clings to my body very well (e.g., does not catch wind, which is a problem I have had with many other tri tops). All of that said, my overarching advice on sizing is to size up for comfort in training apparel, but size true for what you will wear on race-day. I say this because none of tops will ever be so tight that they are truly restrictive to the point that they would negatively impact performance, so in my opinion, it’s always better to ensure a snug fit on race-day, since wind resistance is killer. If you want more detail on this, check out this great read and diagram that shows just how important a proper-fitting race suit is.

Durability and Drying: I group these together because they go hand-in-hand. If you follow the care instructions and hand-wash the garments in cold water and then air-dry, they will last you many seasons. But since I promised total honesty in this review, I will delve just a bit into what happens if you stray from the protocol. I have experimented (in a rush) with machine washing on delicate and then tumble-drying on the air-fluff (e.g., the most delicate) mode. I have found that this approach has not hurt the integrity of the material itself, but has lead to some peeling of the logo and any other print that may be on the apparel. I would advise you to follow this approach at your own risk, with an understanding that while it may be OK, it’s far better off not to be lazy and handwash and air dry. Also worth mentioning here, all of the Kiwami products dry out extremely fast (easily overnight, even after 4 hour rides on the indoor trainer whcih all lead to heavy perspiration), and as a result, they don’t hold nearly as much odor as other brands I have worn. I will often go 4-8 wears before washing.

Jammy Swim Bottom: Great swim focused item. More comfortable at the same price-point as comparables from the swim-specific brands. There is no padding in this bottom, so I would not recommend it for any distance above a Sprint, or maybe an Oly if the swim is non-wetsuit. Although I wear this in a Sprint, it’s best use is daily at the pool for swim training. Sizing wise, I am in between a Med/Large here; cut goes right above my knee. Holds the upper leg tight so there is no drooping down. No neoprene or any other buoyancy creating devices, but there may be some “bubble-lift” created by the hydrophonic material they use; hard to experiment here because so much changes day-to-day in the pool, but in general I’ve noticed I am about one second faster per 100/m in these versus a traditional Speedo. Interesting to note that they won’t dry nearly as fast as the other bottoms, and that probably has to do with the “bubble-lift” trapping some water. I thoroughly rinse them in cold water after every use, and then use the “wringing machine” at the pool for an initial dry, and hang-dry over night. I’m sure they would last slightly longer if I didn’t use the “wringing machine,” but when I am rushed to get from the pool to the office, it is a must. I’ve heard mixed things, but expect anywhere from 3-6 months out of these before stretching of the suit occurs. The wide range depends on factors like how you rinse and dry, and chlorine levels in the pool.

Prima XC Top: The most important thing to note here is this top runs very small. At 6’, 160lbs I am in an XL and even that rides up in the mid-section while running, so if you are a larger athlete you will absolutely want to size up here. The material on this top is interesting; it is legitimately water repellent (e.g., sweat rolls right off of it) which is incredible, but this causes it to be a bit stiffer feeling. Early in a race when you are dry it may not be the most comfortable top, but later in the day you will be very happy that you aren’t water logged from sweat and aid-stations. Perfect for long-course hot weather racing where you expect a lot of perspiration and “water-over-the-head” aid-stations. If you don’t think you will be wet, I would steer away from this and toward something softer so you can maximize comfort when waterproof isn’t a priorty.

Prima XC Bottom: These also run a bit small, but not to the same extent as the top. I am a large here, so the range of sizing will cover pretty much all athletes. I would recommend sizing up, but it wouldn’t hurt to call Kiwami prior to ordering these and go over your individual specs to minimize the risk of needing to exchange. In terms of material, see above as it is the same. During a hot indoor workout on the bike, it was cool to literally see my sweat roll right off the shorts. The padding in this short is pretty built up; I would say closer to a true cycling short than most tri bottoms. That said, running off the bike in these was very comfortable; I had no issues with chaffing, rubbing, or padding impacting my stride. This bottom is a great option for all hot-weather races where you anticipate getting wet, or for IM racing where saddle comfort is key and the built-up padding becomes helpful. Also great for use as a a pure-play cycling short.

Prima Classic Top: While this top shares the “Prima” name, it is quite different from the XC. For starters, the Prima Classic runs much more true to size. I am in between an L and XL, and while I am comfortable in either, I prefer to train in an XL and race in an L – following my logic in the sizing section that I want to optimize around comfort in training, and around aero-dynamics in racing. Even though the XL fits snug, I figure if a large doesn’t ride up on my mid-section too badly, there is less likelihood that it will catch any wind at all. The other major difference between this and the XC is the material. The Prima Classic is much softer and smoother than the XC, but this comes at the cost of sacrificing water repellence; although the Classic is fast drying, it still carries some moisture. In practice, the Prima Classic top is great for athletes that 1) are larger and simply cannot fit in the XC 2) prefer early race comfort and are not concerned about carrying a little moisture later on and 3) cooler weather races where it is anticipated that the athlete says dry. If you don’t anticipate extreme sweat and/or dumping water over yourself at aid-stations, I would go with the Classic over the XC in almost any circumstance; the material is that much softer. That said, in hot weather races, the Prima XC ends up becoming more comfortable by the end of the race since it literally does not carry any moisture.

Prima Classic Bottom: Same material characteristics as the Prima Classic Top above. For sizing, like most Kiwami products, size down one degree in the Bottom versus the top; so for the Classic, given I am in between an L and XL in the Top, I am comfortable in either an Med or L in the Bottom. The other difference between the Classic and the XC Bottom is the padding. The Classic has a slightly less built up pad, and the cushioning itself is made of a softer material. Personally, it is plenty of padding for me, and I prefer the softer material in the Classic versus the XC Bottom.

Quick Summary of the Classic Family: Particularly larger athletes should look toward the Classic over the XC in all circumstances Size down by one degree in Bottom versus Top for both. Cool weather races where waterproof isn’t a priorty I recommend the Classic full suit. In hot weather races, I recommend the XC, or a combination of the XC top and Classic bottom since I personally find that softness on the bottom and water repellence on the top are the most important factors. The other thing to keep in mind is specific to the shorts, and that revolves around athlete preference on the amount of padding; think of the XC as closer to a cycling short, and the Classic more similar to a traditional tri short. That said, I had no ‘problems’ running in either, just the Classic is more comfortable.

Twinki Bottom: This is a highly versatile short with sizing that runs true, and if anything, unlike most Kiwami products, these may even run a bit on the larger side. This short is made from a very soft material that although not water repellent, is extremely quick to dry. The padding is sufficient, but less built up than both of the Prima models. This is a perfect option for Olympic and HIM distance races, as well as for use as an everyday training short. The Twinki’s strength is in the comfort it yields running off the bike. Of course this comes as a result of having less padding, but if you are an individual that doesn’t need much in the way of padding, this could be your best option for any distance. It is also a bit more flexible than the Prima bottoms.

Tempo Top: Sizing runs true, although athletes may want to order up here as well. I am right in between a Large and XL, and like I point out in the section on sizing, during training I’ll wear an XL, but at a Sprint Tri, I would want to be in a Large. This is a great “everyday” top in the sense that it is extremely light-weight, simple, and comfortable. While not water repellent, the Tempo hardly holds any moisture at all during workouts, and drys out within a few hours of even the sweatiest indoor sessions. The Tempo does not give the same attention to structural fit as either of the Primas, meaning that while it doesn’t provide that extra level of compression, it does become a great choice for athletes with unique physiques that need some additional flexibility. Pairing this with the Twinki bottom seems to make a lot of sense.

******Note that this review will likely be edited over time to account for factors such as product-life and also to include additional products. Remember that “Part 2” will focus on one-piece suits and be released shortly. If you have any questions or want to follow up on anything, don’t hesitate to PM me. ***

Very thorough and well thought out reviews Mr. Stulberg!

Kiwami FTW!

I think I might be the only person that dislikes Kiwami. Their shorts were great for cycling but I actually hate their stuff for races. The clothing is just hot. I was burning up the entire race I wore it and it wasn’t bad nutrition or the day.

It’s pricey but Squadra Elite is by far and away the greatest stuff I’ve ever worn. Even if I have to buy straight from them and have the outfit covered in Squadra logos, I won’t wear anything else.

**If you love their stuff so much; I have a Prima XC top for sale… make me an offer!

I think I might be the only person that dislikes Kiwami. Their shorts were great for cycling but I actually hate their stuff for races. **The clothing is just hot. I was burning up the entire race I wore it and it wasn’t bad nutrition or the day. **

It’s pricey but Squadra Elite is by far and away the greatest stuff I’ve ever worn. Even if I have to buy straight from them and have the outfit covered in Squadra logos, I won’t wear anything else.

**If you love their stuff so much; I have a Prima XC top for sale… make me an offer!

Their stuff isn’t hot. The Amphibian suit is made of a very thin fabric, and the suits are usually constructed with lighter fabrics on the back than on the front. I’ve had a blue/white suit and a black/white/red suit. I’ve worn both of them in 80F+ heat and high humidity without problems. I wore one of their front zip one-piece suits at Clearwater 70.3 and it was great. The fabric that they use doesn’t seem to be any thicker or thinner than in other comparable suits, but their suits that are advertised as quick-drying really do dry quickly. The only thing I would change about their suits would be the zippers–they could benefit from the higher-quality locking/unlocking zippers found in some other 1-piece suits. The zipper tail isn’t necessarily bad, but from a utility standpoint the only purpose it serves in my view is to make it easier to unzip the suit after the swim. This requires you to locate the tail (which can get tangled around another part of the suit, or in a wetsuit zipper), and pull it down. Most speedsuit zippers achieve the same effect by using a locking zipper pull that holds the zipper shut when the pull is flipped down, or allows the zipper to open freely when flipped up. The only advantage I see to the zipper tail is that it would allow you to re-zip the suit, which I’ve never seen anyone do.

I’m not really sure how you can argue with my experience? Do you think that I don’t know what feeling hot is? Do you think I’m making it up? Just confused…

I understand that you don’t find them to be hot; I’m not saying you’re right/wrong. I just burn up in it and won’t wear it.

You said their clothing is hot. That is something I can rationally dispute. That is a blanket statement.

As for your n=1, mine conflicts so it is easy for me to dispute. Furthermore, i race against a significant number of other elite and amateur athletes who are quite satisfied with the suits and disagree with your assessment and your n=1. It is easy to dispute someone’s experience…if you went out biking in high-vis kit and got hit by a car and the driver claims he didn’t see you, would you not dispute his experience? Their suits aren’t designed to insulate…if you were hot you may have been dehydrated, racing in 80F+ heat where you might have been hot regardless, or failing to implement any cooling strategies. You were quick to blame the suit when my experience and others’ says you should be looking at other factors.

I have raced in both the Kiwami Amphibian and Kiwami Konami. Both great outfits! My only recommendation is for a longer zipper on the Konami.

I love how you think I’m using a blanket statement when my first sentence points out “I’m probably the only person who dislikes Kiwami”. I’m pretty sure that means I don’t think everyone feels the same.

Making such a sweeping statement after saying that is similar to saying something like “with all due respect, I think you are stupid.” The latter half of the sentence stands in contrast to and in spite of the former half of the sentence.

You know exactly what you mean but others don’t. It seems I interpreted your post differently than it was intended. I’m too much of a literalist sometimes.

Great review. Over the last three years I’ve raced all my races in Kiwami products, mainly the amphibian but also the Prima Top/Bottom and Konami.

The fabric is literally first class and they have great customer service to match.

Only gripes are the numbers of seams in the Amphibian (especially the prima version) for comfort and durability, it would be great if some could be got rid of. Secondly, it would be nice if they updated their colour options within the Amphbian range more often (they havent changed at all since I started using them).

But they are extremely small gripes, I love their products, you would expect to pay a hell of a lot more from any other company. The customer service is the best I’ve ever had the pleasure to deal with

just a little patience and you’ll see a lot of new colors/style in 2013; working on it currently.

thanks for your loyalty!

So up until this past weekend I had only trained and raced in two-piece suits, but given the very odd format of this most recent race being a ‘reverse triathlon’ (e.g., run/bike/swim) I opted for a one-piece, and raced in the Amphibian. The thing was freaking great. To Cannastar’s point; yes, the seams were a bit uncomfortable, but once you are going at threshold, you don’t really feel it.

What I most want to point out is just how effective the Amphibian was in the water. ** I have swam in a TYR Torque speed-suit over a two-piece, and to be completely honest, I found the Amphibian just as fast and if anything, maybe even faster** since there was no opportunity for water to get caught between a traditional speed-suit and top. For longer stuff I’ll still race in two-pieces because I like the cooling flexibility of a two-piece on the run, but in anything shorter, and certainly anything shorter and non-wetsuit, I would highly highly recommend the Amphibian. It costs less than most speed-suits and like I said, I found it equally, if not more effective.

Good review.

I thought the Brownlees were mostly racing in a Zerod trisuit though.

Kiwami has supplied their club (Sartrouville, France) for many years. their national team has indeed a different supplier.

I raced IMAZ in my new Kiwami Prima Top and shorts; purchased because of this thread and other positive comments about the product.

My race kit “disappeared” for the whole race. What I mean is that for 140.6 miles I never once noticed my uniform. No hot spots. No chafing. Pad, while minimal, was excellent on the bike and I never noticed it on the run. This is in contrast to my previous long course racing experience. I was always getting at least one area where my kit would iritate me and often had one or two raw spots after the race. Not with the Kiwami stuff. I am completely sold. I have no affiliation with them but when something works this well you want to tell people about it. Thanks, Brad, for your review. Until the review I had been thinking about buying but had delayed because I didn’t quite know what to actually order. This was a big help but Kiwami still needs to upgrade product descriptions on their website (or post a link to your review).

Ordered more stuff today using the Thanksgiving sale plus the BradS10 discount code.

Any recommendation for a non-wetsuit and hot 70.3? Not sure which of all the options available on the website would be best.

The amphibian or amphibian prima (with pad) would be ideal. The material is light as a feather and absorbs almost no water. I believe it has a special coating as well, which makes it very hydrodynamic in the water.

The Amphibian’s are probably the best option in terms of speed in the water (e.g., based upon fit and material) as well as quick to dry. I have raced sprints in the Amphibian and it’s a great suit. My only hesitation is that you mentioned you are going to be in a hot 70.3, and the Amphibian’s do not have zippers in the front. I know personally in a hot 70.3 I am doing everything I can to expose skin, so I would consider the Konami and the Kaiman XC. You may lose a touch of speed because of the difference in material, but over a 70.3, I would rather have the ability to unzip in the front than 8-15 seconds in the swim. They should all be fast to dry, certainly by the time you grove in on the bike.

I raced IMAZ in my new Kiwami Prima Top and shorts; purchased because of this thread and other positive comments about the product.

My race kit “disappeared” for the whole race. What I mean is that for 140.6 miles I never once noticed my uniform. No hot spots. No chafing. Pad, while minimal, was excellent on the bike and I never noticed it on the run. This is in contrast to my previous long course racing experience. I was always getting at least one area where my kit would iritate me and often had one or two raw spots after the race. Not with the Kiwami stuff. I am completely sold. I have no affiliation with them but when something works this well you want to tell people about it. Thanks, Brad, for your review. Until the review I had been thinking about buying but had delayed because I didn’t quite know what to actually order. This was a big help but Kiwami still needs to upgrade product descriptions on their website (or post a link to your review).

Ordered more stuff today using the Thanksgiving sale plus the BradS10 discount code.

Thanks for the kind words, and congrats on your recent race! I’m very glad that the Kiwami tri-suit worked out so well for you. In terms of the website, you are spot-on that it needs to get much better re; descriptions Stay tuned, I know it’s something that is at the top of the priority list for the company…and the only reason it hasn’t been addressed is because Kiwami USA is still a pretty small operation and so much of the resources have been directed at keeping up with fast growing sales.

I recently purchased the Kaiman XC and love it. Customer service was perfect and the custom design was perfect. I’ve only used it in training thus far, but it is very comfortable. I’ll be using it in my first full next week, so hopefully it continues to work great. ( I am not affiliated with their company).