From Sports Illustrated:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/more/news/20130118/lance-armstrong-admission-kathy-lemond-reaction/
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Good article.
I’m speechless at her comments that she and others were getting death threats.
LA said tonight that one day cost him 75 million. Yet, Greg and Kathy, they claim, lost their business, hence their income, because of LA.
We are starting to learn that it’s truly not about the bike. LA is a total arrogant prick even in the middle of his global apology. I’m amazed that he refuses to apologize to all of these people he threw under the bus. To me, this is the horror of his doping, not the athletic endeavor itself.
I wonder what his relationship with George Hincapie is right now? Johan?
We are starting to learn that it’s truly not about the bike. LA is a total arrogant prick even in the middle of his global apology. I’m amazed that he refuses to apologize to all of these people he threw under the bus. To me, this is the horror of his doping, not the athletic endeavor itself.
I wonder what his relationship with George Hincapie is right now? Johan?
bingo. All that athletic stuff can be forgiven/forgotten with the passage of time. Trying to wreck someone takes it to another league.
We are starting to learn that it’s truly not about the bike. LA is a total arrogant prick even in the middle of his global apology. I’m amazed that he refuses to apologize to all of these people he threw under the bus. To me, this is the horror of his doping, not the athletic endeavor itself.
I wonder what his relationship with George Hincapie is right now? Johan?
bingo. All that athletic stuff can be forgiven/forgotten with the passage of time. Trying to wreck someone takes it to another league.
You said it. I can’t imagine that the LeMonds’s and others would cook this stuff up. LA made it clear that “…we sued a lot of people.” Imo, that is worse than doping to win a bicycle race. To destroy someone’s life because they are speaking out?
We are starting to learn that it’s truly not about the bike. LA is a total arrogant prick even in the middle of his global apology. I’m amazed that he refuses to apologize to all of these people he threw under the bus. To me, this is the horror of his doping, not the athletic endeavor itself.
I wonder what his relationship with George Hincapie is right now? Johan?
I don’t disagree with the arrogant prick part, but you must not have seen the Oprah interview. He said he and GH were still friends, and he also listed Lemond as one of five or six specific individuals that he has some serious apology making to.
I don’t disagree with the arrogant prick part, but you must not have seen the Oprah interview. He said he and GH were still friends, and he also listed Lemond as one of five or six specific individuals that he has some serious apology making to.
Apology? bwwhahahahahaha - this is when someone’s going to learn there’s shit in life you can’t just undo!!!
SPeak the truth Kathy!
We are starting to learn that it’s truly not about the bike. LA is a total arrogant prick even in the middle of his global apology. I’m amazed that he refuses to apologize to all of these people he threw under the bus. To me, this is the horror of his doping, not the athletic endeavor itself.
I wonder what his relationship with George Hincapie is right now? Johan?
bingo. All that athletic stuff can be forgiven/forgotten with the passage of time. Trying to wreck someone takes it to another league.
You said it. I can’t imagine that the LeMonds’s and others would cook this stuff up. LA made it clear that “…we sued a lot of people.” Imo, that is worse than doping to win a bicycle race. To destroy someone’s life because they are speaking out?
I don’t condone the doping. In fact I despise that it is part of the fabric of cycling history and that honest cyclists were robbed by people who thought getting what they wanted justified such behavior. But I can forgive the doping. I can let any cyclist off-the-hook if the come clean and say what they did and make amends for it.
LA crossed so many lines that have nothing to do with what happened in racing and training - slander, mental abuse, etc. - and that is the stuff that goes too far to be forgiven as “just part of the sport at that time.” The aggressive, sociopathic campaigns against anyone who crossed him are what make LA an unsympathetic character, what take this whole thing far beyond a simple issue of doping.
My last thought is that in the televised portion of his deposition with SCA (?) is that he knew exactly what he was setting up: he knew that he was profiting on the hopes, dreams and inspiration of cancer patients; he knew that they would be emotionally gutted if he was busted for doping and that everyone who supported him would turn their backs; and then he went home and topped off with a vial of EPO so that his blood could be harvested for re-infusion during the next Tour that he planned to cheat and win. That is fraud and cynicism at a level that really almost leaves me speechless…
As a father, I feel for him having to sit down with his children and tell them that he lied. I can’t imagine that feeling. My wife and I don’t even do the Santa thing so that we never lie to our son or deceive him. What LA did, as I said above, goes far beyond doping and/or lying, and how do you as a father explain that you thought that was OK?
He should feel profoundly ashamed. He should have to live the rest of his life never being able to enter a sanctioned race. He should have to work the rest of his life to make amends because the level that he took this to requires that as a punishment. I think the 6-month ban on the other riders should have been at least a year, but that’s neither here nor there, they didn’t deserve anything like what Lance got because they didn’t profit from it the way he did, and they didn’t commit the vast number of crimes that he did in order to cover it up.
That said, I hope he finds redemption some day. I hope that he finds a way to make up for all of this.
It’s going to be a long road to recovery for him and others. It will take time to get that trust back. It’s clear from the interview, he’s just begun. I don’t feel personally bad for him, and don’t think he had to spill all the beans on national television. That was one interview. Not enough time to go through every detail. That will be forthcoming in other interviews (hearings).
However, I agree with Betsy Andreu that he should have confessed to that hospital situation when Oprah addressed it. To lay down on that one was a mistake, imo. He told Oprah before the interview that he’ll let her go wherever she wants, and he’ll answer candidly and honestly. Maybe there’s legal ramifications involved in dodging that one question.
Maybe there’s legal ramifications involved in dodging that one question.
There are. He convinced a bunch of folks to perjure themselves on his behalf about what was said in that conversation. And they did. And medical records were likely altered or destroyed. Now, I think he wants to not betray these co-conspirators further … so I think …
It’s going to take years to flush all this out. He can spoon fed the public on TV shows and make a living from it.
Maybe there’s legal ramifications involved in dodging that one question.
There are. He convinced a bunch of folks to perjure themselves on his behalf about what was said in that conversation. And they did. And medical records were likely altered or destroyed. Now, I think he wants to not betray these co-conspirators further … so I think …
So, if he spilled the beans on that question, it would get even uglier than it is right now. I can imagine those who perjured themselves were probably sweating bullets when Oprah asked that question. No matter, though. It’s going to come to light. This interview shows that a lie can’t be hidden forever (even though LA at the time thought it would go on forever).
I don’t disagree with the arrogant prick part, but you must not have seen the Oprah interview. He said he and GH were still friends, and he also listed Lemond as one of five or six specific individuals that he has some serious apology making to.
Apology? bwwhahahahahaha - this is when someone’s going to learn there’s shit in life you can’t just undo!!!
To be fair he also acknowledged that and said that the majority of the people would likely never forgive him. He acknowledged that a 40 min phone call doesn’t make him and the Andreu’s friends.
however low the chances of an apology being accepted, it should still be offered if needed and this is what I understood he said he would do.
Maybe there’s legal ramifications involved in dodging that one question.
There are. He convinced a bunch of folks to perjure themselves on his behalf about what was said in that conversation. And they did. And medical records were likely altered or destroyed. Now, I think he wants to not betray these co-conspirators further … so I think …
I guess all that leads to a question, has anyone that was present backed Mrs A and Mr A their version of what said?
You cannot un-ring the bell.
You cannot un-ring the bell.
This is the truth!
compare this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3EVimS8VKg
with this quote:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013/jan/19/lance-armstrong-cycling
In the autumn of 1993, Greg LeMond and his wife, Kathy, were sitting at home in the suburbs of Minneapolis, when they received a visit from Linda Mooneyham, the three-times Tour de France winner has recalled. Her 21-year-old son, Lance Armstrong, had just become the world champion and she had travelled from her home in Texas for advice.
“What does he do now?” she asked. “What does he do with his money?”
“Well, let him find an agent – a good one with an attorney,” LeMond replied. “And one word of advice – just be his mom.”
They sat on the porch for a while and then moved inside to the kitchen. Linda had something else on her mind: “How do I make him less of an asshole. He doesn’t care about anyone.”
“Well,” LeMond replied. “I can’t help you there.”
What a smart-assed little turd.
compare this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3EVimS8VKg
with this quote:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/...ce-armstrong-cycling
In the autumn of 1993, Greg LeMond and his wife, Kathy, were sitting at home in the suburbs of Minneapolis, when they received a visit from Linda Mooneyham, the three-times Tour de France winner has recalled. Her 21-year-old son, Lance Armstrong, had just become the world champion and she had travelled from her home in Texas for advice.
“What does he do now?” she asked. “What does he do with his money?”
“Well, let him find an agent – a good one with an attorney,” LeMond replied. “And one word of advice – just be his mom.”
They sat on the porch for a while and then moved inside to the kitchen. Linda had something else on her mind: “How do I make him less of an asshole. He doesn’t care about anyone.”
“Well,” LeMond replied. “I can’t help you there.”
What a smart-assed little turd.
Wow. How did you find this vintage video? Kind of cool, but, it does show, imo, there was an edge to LA. Someone asked that lady in the convenience store if she knew who that was (LA) and what the stripes on his jersey mean. “Is he famous? I don’t watch that much running.” Obviously it wasn’t that big of a deal to her, and I think that’s keeping things in perspective.