Joel Filliol, shag, marry or kill

Set out below are the 21 rules of triathlon swimming that JF wrote back in 2012 based on an earlier article from 2007. JF and Paulo revisited this in a podcast a few years back, which recently JF has referred to as one of the fundamentals of his podcast.

It’s called the Real Coaching podcast.

Having spent (or wasted) many hours of my life listening to this guy’s podcast and reading his webpage, you’d get more enthusiasm from an accountant when doing a tax filing. This guy is more understated than a fatally hungover English gamekeeper from the 1920s. Wish more people would adopt that approach now a days.

Waverider’s edits are below:

The Top 20 Rules for Faster Triathlon Swimming

1. Conditioning trumps drills. Technique matters, but the way most athletes try to improve technique doesn’t work. Get fitter, and your ability to hold good technique improves. It takes a lot of work to develop aerobic conditioning in your upper body. If you think you are already swimming a lot but are not improving, swim more and keep at it. There are no shortcuts.

Waverider - swim more, get better. No shit sherlock. But something to note here, what is more and what is the rate we want to improve season to season? Is a second every season and a half worth it, over 10 seasons, or do you need 5 seconds now.

2. Traditional drills don’t work. The type of drills and the way that most triathletes do them don’t actually have any material effect on swimming technique.

Waverider - the triathlete who spends more time stretching, flexing on the side of the pool, to then put on flippers and do no splash one arm drills, kick on a kick board and fill up the lane going 4 minutes per 100, yeah that doesn’t work… wannabe IG influencers and posers do that.

3. Swim more often. Frequency is the best way to improve your swimming. Also see rule #4

Waverider - a ST prophet on here wrote it best, when they said if your swim suit gets dry you’re doing it wrong.

4. Do longer main sets. You can’t expect to swim fast and be fresh on the bike if you rarely do main sets with the same or higher volume and pace than you expect in the race. For short course these should be at least 2km, for IM 4km, or more. And that looks like 20-50x100, not many short broken sets adding up to 2-5km.

Waverider - you absolutely don’t need to do 4k sets to do an Ironman as your staple training set. 10x400m is a punish and sure if you never swim more than 1500 and want to do an Ironman and don’t have some money in the bank you’re going to suffer.

That is a sure way to kill the fun of it.

But if you’re doing lots of no shit 20-50x100 each time you hit the pool (mainly between 20 and 30 you’re going to be fine).

Build it out to 4km main sets or total volume sets once every week or 10 days and you will be on the path.

More on PACE below.

  1. Don’t over think it. Don’t under think it. Be engaged with what you are doing in the water, and use tools to help get a better feel for the water. But don’t over think every stroke, and suffer from paralysis by analysis. Swimming fast is about rhythm and flow, when good technique becomes automatic.

Waverider - my half a brain cell can neither think nor under think. Therefore I merely am.

  1. Increased swim fitness translates to the bike and run. Being able to swim harder, starting the bike both fresher and with faster riders is how that works.

Waverider - I get passed by grandpa in flip flops riding home from the pub I am that slow on the bike. But this is an often repeated statement. Additional anecdotal evidence welcome.

7. Deep swim fitness allows you to swim on the rivet. See rule #6. Most triathletes don’t know how to really swim hard for the duration.

Waverider - Swimming more lets you know pacing. That lets you swim hard with knowledge of your pacing. This rivet you speak of? Some cycling pseudo babble.

8. Include some quality in every swim. If you are swimming less than 5x per week, having easy swims is a waste of time. Always include quality, from band, to paddles, to sprints, in every swim.

Waverider - what is quality? Is it race pace, is it faster, and how much of it? Is it a few seconds below? I want to come back to this - we need to be clear on PACE.

Band and paddles - I don’t have room in my man purse for those when I head to the pool. Exclusively speedos, Swedish goggles and joi de Vivre is all I take. Drip dry for life.

Having easy swims is the way to get out the door. But easy means a certain thing and slop easy waste of time is not it.

More on PACE below.

9. Don’t count strokes. See rule #2. The objective is to get faster, not take fewer strokes.

Waverider - Terry Laughlin’s record was 24 or 26 in a 50m pool that he did with Shane Gould coaching him once. But he also wrote that he had years where he never got faster as he was focussing on lowering his strokes not his times.

Some swimmers benefit from lengthening their stroke, some from increasing their stroke rate.

Doing fewer strokes is fun, but it can drop off your sense of slow and rhythm. It’s not the way most people swim well in OW and over distance. Your stroke is likely lower than you think it is. It will likely feel fast but it’s actually slow.

10. Learn now to use your kick but don’t spend a lot of time with kick sets. Kicking is about stroke control and body position, not propulsion for triathlon. Kick fitness doesn’t matter.

Waverider - Kick fitness doesn’t matter, the man is right. But learning different kicks in your freestyle gives you something to live for, and a way to get down to the pool.

11. Use a band frequently. The best swimming drill there is. Do short reps with lots of rest at first. Both propulsion and body position will improve.

Waverider - Once you can swim with a band - what’s the point?

I tend to think there is false sense of accomplishment from those that can “swim” with a band. Some videos on YT of people claiming they can swim with a band but there legs are 45 degrees pointing down. People have no shame man!

12. Use paddles with awareness of engaging lats. Paddles are primarily a technical tool to take more strokes with better mechanics, the result of which is learning how to use your prime swimming movers: your lats.

Waverider - swim so much that lifting your arms to wash your hair hurts afterwards.

I don’t know enough to explain myself but I think of the hips as being of equal importance. Hips are often forgotten.

13. Keep head low on breathing and in open water. Head down, feet up. It’s a common body position error.

Waverider - one goggle in, one goggle out. Need to be able to see under the water when you breath with one of your eyes. Feel the heels break the surface.

14. Do many short repetitions for stroke quality. It takes fitness to swim with good technique for long durations. Start shorter, and swim faster. 50x50 works wonders. Don’t have time to do a 2500m main set? Drop the warm up and warm down.

Waverider - Now is a good time to talk about PACE. Joel doesn’t touch this.

Some sets are counter productive to aerobic and endurance gains. When you know your 1500 time you can set paces from it. Call it X or CSS.

Don’t go above X plus 9 on long steady swims. Don’t go below X plus 1 on swims longer than 200. Keep your best in the bank for your next event.

Swim a lot at X plus 4-7. As much as you can. Be greedy and swim at plus 3 but it will cook you after a few weeks. Save that for a few quality sets bringing up to peak shape.

Swimming hard wears you out. The spreadsheets don’t write themselves when you’re too stoned from super hard sets. But swimming hard does make you better.

Master the art of fobbing off work or doing the minimum viable. Get better at AI prompting. Joel F doesn’t talk about this. This matters to people so you can coast at 30% of your mental operating capacity to get by at work.

15. **Learn to swim with a higher stroke rate.**This takes conditioning. It will pay off on race day, and particularly anytime swimming in a group and in rough conditions.

Waverider - Something else Joel doesn’t touch. How to swim well in OW. There are skills here, drafting, take out, finding the right feet, surging and holding position where you’re comfortable. It’s like group riding. It’s a skill that you need to learn and if you keep fucking up you’ll keep crashing. Some people suck at it. Some people enjoy it.

16. If you need to write your swim session down on the white board or paper, it’s too complicated. Keep it simple.

Waverider - No harm in changing sets part way through. Just get in the time.

17. Find a good masters programme. Long main sets is a good sign. Swim with others to challenge yourself. Good programmes are the exception rather than the norm, unfortunately.

Waverider - Swim training is like rolling cigarettes. Everyone can roll their own but sometimes it’s nice to have it made for you, albeit with greater cost and more chemical additive shit.

Swimming alone gives more flexibility to your schedule and lets you swim your own paces with softer water.

  1. Don’t use swim tools as a crutch. Paddles and bull buoys are tools with specific uses. Don’t reach for them out of simple laziness, because the set is hard.

Waverider - these can mess your stroke up badly. Turns off your hips chronically if you don’t know how to use these.

If you know how to use these and actually burn your shoulders, go for it.

I prefer fly and backstroke for my change of clothes.

19. Do use swim tools when you are very fatigued, and will otherwise swim with poor quality. See Rule #18.

20. Dry land and gym can help swimming for some via improved neuromuscular recruitment. Use body weight and tubing not machines.

Waverider - absolutely do some prehab work for your shoulders. Every time you swim do some external rotation band work. Hold the band between your two hands, hold one hand to your waist, externally rotate on the other side. Don’t need a pole or fulcrum that way. Build up to 50 or 100 or 200 each arm.

Bonus: Love swimming if you want to get faster. Embrace the process of getting faster in the water. Chlorine sweat is a good thing.

Waverider - Eau de cologne.

Follow the rules above to swim faster, and ultimately to be a faster triathlete. Enjoy.

EDIT:

#21 Repetition is your friend. Variety is for the weak minded, and interferes with the learning process. Repetition, Repetition, Repetition.

Waverider - There is nothing wrong with changing it up a bit. But really there are only a few sets you need. A steady one. A getting faster one. A fast and hard one. A sprinting one.

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Yes. I refer back to this document / podcast episode regularly too.

It is probably the best and most definitive document for triathlete swimming. It has aged so well.

Most people just fuck around at the edges with their swimming and wonder why they never improve.

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What are your thoughts on if a masters coach keeps you in flippers to get through more volume instead of altering the set. This is why I stopped going to squad

I agree with this, but I’ll put myself out there as the counterpart that I bet most AGers are like me out there, stuck in the middle of the pack, but I’ve found the hard way by actually doing it, that it’s not just lack of technique and/or lack of intensity/volume.

I’ve spent blocks swimming close to 20k/wk, granted, not for the whole year, but for 1-3 months at a time, have done it several times, and I rarely swim under 12k/wk year-round. Going from 12k to 20k/wk got me like 3-4sec/100 in a 1000 time trial after all that work . And the worst part is that the moment I drop back to 12k/week, that small speed gain disappears completely. And my fastest pace for that 1000 is a 1:31/100 yds, which is probably only slightly above-average for AG triathletes of all ages (I’m 50 now so sure maybe better-than average if age-adjusted, but the guys in my tri club who swim <7k /week easily go 1:20-1:24/100 and kill me by minutes in Oly races.)

I’ve also videod myself a lot, granted from the head-on position as the side shots are hard, but I fixed a lot of stuff, and the result - I look a lot more ‘textbook’ for my form, but the speed is the same. Literally zero gain in speed for me from before (granted as well the changes weren’t huge, as I’ve been swimming for a while now. Technique changes were huge in my 1st 2 yrs of AOS swimming though).

Some people just have the right mix of body type, endurance, strength, neuromuscular, etc. to just go freaking fast without much training. But the reality is that if most AG triathletes aren’t in that group, and for us, gains are just really, hard, if not impossible after getting past the initial beginner-intermediate barriers.

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Agree re pull bouy/float pants. I adopted the Sutto method of using toys to smash myself. Got very fast and went to Nice expecting/hoping it would be wetsuit.

Sure enough race was no wetsuit and I was given a rude shock how terribly reliant I had become to not kicking/engaging core. Pace suffered terribly.

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Naah I will stick to swimming 2x45min/week and pray the wetsuit gets me through the swim in under 1:30 :smiley:

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Thanks for doing this. Fantastic episode. I agree there is a lot of food for thought in both Joel’s advice and your random comments :wink:

Whereas here’s where I take exception to Joel’s approach when you apply it to amateurs. It’s a huge part of his training philosophy and very typical of people raised in the high performance world.

Thing is, this is great advice for PROs as well as people aspiring to be “elite age groupers”. If your plan is to either go top 10 in M45 in 70.3 worlds in two years, or quit, then by all means - variety is for weak minded.

However, for 99% of us, it’s just a recipe for quitting the sport.

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I’m no expert, rather the reverse, but this sort of thing makes it sound like fins would be the right tool for this approach–you still have to kick a bit and get some proprioceptive feedback from that, but I for one can rack up meaningful yardage with fins in a way that I can’t without any toys at all.

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Pace suffers terribly no matter what if you’re comparing wetsuit to non-wetsuit paces. I swim several minutes faster in an Oly swim with a wetsuit on the same course than without one, and I’m not at all kick dependent (I also go a good deal slower if I’m using a PB, like 5-7sec/100 slower in the pool).

I suspect you just got used to swimming faster with the float pants, and sure, you’ll be slower without them but it doesn’t mean you were less conditioned, it means you just had the wrong expectation for a non-wetsuit swim.

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I remember when this post first came out and it became my bible when I was trying to improve my swim after transitioning from collegiate running to triathlon. I would offer the following modifications for age groupers who are trying to max their potential but still have a job/family etc.

  1. 5 swims and 20k a week are the gold standard for the pointy end of age group swimming, but 10-12k and 3 swims will get you 90 to 95 percent of those gains, if you don’t have the time to get to the pool that much.
  2. Steady aerobic swimming is actually very beneficial. I do one long swim per week with main sets of 30x100 or 15x200 where I am not gassing myself but not lollygagging either. These are “LT1” type swim sets, and it gives huge fitness gains without a big recovery cost. Plus, I seem to absorb the harder stuff much more after doing a large block with lots of this type of swimming.
  3. Fins, pull buoy, paddle and snorkel are great tools for triathletes. I use swims during warmup and kicking to loosen up my ankles, and long pull/paddle sets to build strength for open water swimming. Snorkel allows you to really think/hone in your body position.
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Same here, a coach got me into the whole floaty pants fad one season. I generally swim 70.3 and IM in the 29-31 and 60-62 min range and that season I got a lot slower in the open water with and without the wetsuit.

Regarding the overall thread advice, I couldn’t agree more. Due to work and other training constraints, I can only swim twice per week, and the best advice I have learned throughout multiple seasons is to make those sessions count. They don’t have to be monster main sets every single time, but it has to have a main set with quality, the only “easy swims” are endurance ones in the open water, which don’t feel easy after 20 minutes of zero wall time.

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i know people who do 10x400 every single week. quite a few. some people just froth doing the same thing.

it is good as it lets you know exactly how your fitness is coming along. however its not for me.

the point i wanted to add (poorly as i can never make myself understood ) is you only really need 3 or 4 sets. those style of sets can be split up and repeated / adapted/ adjusted / in near infinite ways but ultimately the overall type does not need to change (steady, hard, or fast). same with running. long run, hill run, hard track run

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What I got out of this thread was swim and swim a lot, and that strides are nonsense. Just like kick sets. Partially Pink.

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Waiting for someone to say they want a shag or kill JF. Most of us are marry.

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Most? Joel is the most immortal spouse on the planet of tri :joy:

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I was unaware that this was a “thing” among coaches until this thread. I did see @Rappstar had posted in another thread a few months ago that if he was still swim training, he would use bouncy shorts for every session to work specifically on increasing the strength of his pull. I found that an interesting idea in that strength as opposed to endurance is a limiter in the water. As someone who is also a 30-32 70.3 swimmer and 1-1:04 IM swimmer and has pretty much tried every single protocol to improve swimming over the last 20 years, this was an idea I had never really focused on. I accept that at the most I will swim 3X per week 10-15K in SCY. Based on that and the specifics of my own biomechanical limitations, I have sort of hit my peak with what I have and the time available. So for the last month and until March I am going to try Jordan’s approach. Bouncy shorts better approximate wet suit swimming then a PB, so they artificially alleviate the low hips and legs which hinder my performance. Fine, what if I fake fix that and just work on the propulsion side of technique? Paddles as well for some of the main set. For me it’s not an endurance problem per se, so maybe having a “stronger” pull will derive some benefits. Figured it was worth trying.

Yes for guys like Jordan who just got stuck at a particular pace, he really needed to increase his strength and speed to go up a level. He should have really done the Sutton approach, pulling almost all of the workouts. He did what coaches told him to do, got his normal swimming down to a 1;08+ pace for an hour in SCY. I have said it before, half the lead packs could not do that, but yet he never could get into those packs to take advantage of his diesel speed. His 200 speed was about 2;04, so no where near what you need that first 400 to get into the group…

The floaty pants are basically the same as a buoy, only difference is you get to keep kicking and using your legs. Pulling is not for everyone, but it is for a lot, and a bunch of athletes who do not do it, would benefit if done properly. It is a great sport specific strength builder, like over gearing on a long climb and just slow rolling up a mountain.

They do more evenly distribute the bouncy across hips and thighs.

Ya I just meant that the buoyancy is about the same, I get the same time savings and legs are in the same place with each. Just that if you have a mind to, you can pull in your kick with the pants. For me they are both about a second per 100 advantage, just in bigger aerobic sets. Anything sprinty I’m faster just swimming vs buoy, pants are about the same as a nice tech suit..

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