Has anyone broke down the differences? Curious to see ‘drop’ and how those 170 cranks are treating him. Although I still find it very impressive he was able to win Kona on only 270 watts
270 watts is good for 112 miles when you have good aerodynamics. I am willing to bet most who post their FTP here lie about it.
I think he biked 0.78 intensity factor (right under the often recommended 0.8). That would put his FTP at around 350 watts. I think hat’s still quite up there.
Has anyone broke down the differences? Curious to see ‘drop’ and how those 170 cranks are treating him. Although I still find it very impressive he was able to win Kona on only 270 watts
I still find it very impressive he was able to win Kona on only 270
Wow, you’ve set a pretty high bar there. I’d venture to say that riding 4.5 hours at 270 average watts, and then running a marathon under 6:20 pace is the stuff a Kona victory is made of.
funnily that FTP is a W/KG that’s comparable to most of the top 25-35 age-groupers
the one thing this tell me is that higher height/weight are almost an absolute advantage on the comparatively flat IM courses. Frodeno’s a tall dude. 270 watts for someone his size is basically Z2
funnily that FTP is a W/KG that’s comparable to most of the top 25-35 age-groupers
the one thing this tell me is that higher height/weight are almost an absolute advantage on the comparatively flat IM courses. Frodeno’s a tall dude. 270 watts for someone his size is basically Z2
And possibly a windy course. A headwind may have less effect on a heavier rider, aerodynamics being equal, but that is total guesswork.
Pics? Links? I can’t find anything new.
Does anyone have before and after pictures of his new position
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Does anyone have before and after pictures of his new position
Hawaii 2015
Hawaii 2016
Austria - I think…
ETA: Actual Austria
Not quite as good of a picture but here it is.
That’s not Austria as he appears to be running a new unbranded helmet rather than the Met. His elbows seem less forward in Austria.
http://triathlonmagazine.ca/feature/frodeno-punches-kona-ticket-ironman-austria-win/
That’s not Austria as he appears to be running a new unbranded helmet rather than the Met. His elbows seem less forward in Austria.
http://triathlonmagazine.ca/feature/frodeno-punches-kona-ticket-ironman-austria-win/
Good call - edited above with an Austria pic
Brent
Is it the angle of the pics or does his head look more tucked (less area from top of helmet to arms)?
270 watts is good for 112 miles when you have good aerodynamics. I am willing to bet most who post their FTP here lie about it.
270 watts is very very very good. Standler was estimated at 315 the year he won and I would argue that most of the other winners have been in the 290 range.
I think it is, not saying it isn’t TG, the original poster seemed shocked. Only 270 watts.
I think it is, not saying it isn’t TG, the original poster seemed shocked. Only 270 watts.
But the number isn’t really surprising to me. You think about it, Jan Frodeno in his first wind tunnel trip was rumored to spend an entire day testing just helmets. The reality is that triathlon is a very poor sport for pros. Guys like Sebi, Jan, and even Lionel have the resources, and supporting companies that are willing to spend, not only the money, but find and bring in the experts to help these guys stay on top.
270 watts is good for 112 miles when you have good aerodynamics. I am willing to bet most who post their FTP here lie about it.
270 watts is very very very good. Standler was estimated at 315 the year he won and I would argue that most of the other winners have been in the 290 range.
Surely that proves 270 is a bit low! If most are 290 then 20W difference at that level is huge isn’t it?! I wonder how heavy he is, yes he’s tall but he looks to be one of the leanest athletes out there. I’m sure I’ve read that the top IM athletes are at 4W/kg - this would put Jan at 67.5 but surely he isnt that light?!
I suppose when you compare it to Tim Don it doesn’t seem so low, he stated 255W for his ride at Brazil and I would guess Tim is a few kg’s lighter than Jan
It seems low to me. I’m 5’8 72kg AGer with a good CdA and all the kit doing 4h45 off 240w @ Copenhagen. To think that I’m “only” 30W behind the absolute top of the tree’s bike leg seems a stretch.
As is often said though, it’s a time competition not a W competition.
Especially since Hawaii is a draft fest. I believe there were 30 guys coming out of the water in the span of 15 seconds the first year Jan won and I don’t remember Jan pulling those guys either. He has a short lead at the start of the bike then he went to the front at mile 90. We was probably pushing no more than 250W while in that group so he had enough energy to drill it in the last 45 minutes.
They guy races smart is aero and can swim and run.
270 watts is good for 112 miles when you have good aerodynamics. I am willing to bet most who post their FTP here lie about it.
270 watts is very very very good. Standler was estimated at 315 the year he won and I would argue that most of the other winners have been in the 290 range.
It seems low to me. I’m 5’8 72kg AGer with a good CdA and all the kit doing 4h45 off 240w @ Copenhagen. To think that I’m “only” 30W behind the absolute top of the tree’s bike leg seems a stretch.
As is often said though, it’s a time competition not a W competition.
did it in 2016, one of the guys i knew doing it went 4:53 off 200w. 70w more to Frodo (33% more) seems a big enough jump
this discussion is valid if and only if all the powermeters are identical. which is not quite correct
a deviation of 5% on 270W would be 13W so 283 or 257 which is very well possible
testing powermeters, I have seen 30W among different brands and also 20W on the same brand/model