Agree we need liquid , calories , and you can add electrolytes if you want .
Can’t they add bulk sugar to each bottle ? If is already a home made batch .
I finally started to like the mortal and got my system really dialed in. I am worried about the relatively high potassium content in the Precision drink. Does anyone else have that concern? Honestly, I see this is a lateral move and not really an improvement. Perhaps I am wrong.
I am in the camp that the only drink without calories on an IM course should be water.
Drinks don’t need to have electrolytes because they are easy enough to bring along
I and most people need 1 kilogram of carbs to get through an Ironman
Most of us need 10g of salt to get through an IM
I would prefer that the drink includes some of that 1 kg of carbs that are needed anyway. It is super easy to carry 10g of salt around for 140.6. That’s not rocket science logistics that we need a sport drink for.
Prior to maurten being the gel sponsor, we had GU for gels and Gatorade. Both Cho solutions. There might have even been a year or 2 when we had Gatorade and maurten.
Yup I don’t need that many electrolytes with water over 180/ 42 I need the sugar with water for my entrance fee over 180/42 why do I need to pack my own.
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2019 was Maurten and Gatorade Endurance.
Article is on the front page, should be linked to this thread. TL;DR from that: there’s an intentional thought process on separating carbs from hydration needs in an attempt to limit GI distress. I’d still prefer the low carb packets versus the sugar alcohol in the tabs, but look: you can get all the carbs in the world from gels and bars.
Overall I appreciate the effort that there’s now uniform products offered globally.
I’m not disagreeing with you, just stating how I interpret the decision from Ironman’s perspective. I agree they should have liquid on the course that contains carbs.
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Thanks for sharing. I don’t agree with their approach but it is what it is.
Exactly. I personally know I have a limit on the amount of sugar alcohol I can have before I need to invest in a Charmin sponsorship, but that pretty much means I’ll carry most of what I want for electrolyte drink on the bike, get my carbs via Maurten stuff and what’s in my drinks, and then pivot on the run.
yay
This is another bad move from IRONMAN in regards to the lack of calories on the course to grab. This really doesn’t do anything besides switch from a pink fluid to a clear fluid..
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Still contains sucralose.
“Artificial sweeteners were linked to a 9% higher risk of any type of cardiovascular problem (including heart attacks) and an 18% greater risk of stroke.”
“Aspartame (NutraSweet, Equal) was linked to a higher risk of stroke, while acesulfame potassium (Sunnett, Sweet One) and sucralose (Splenda) were associated with higher coronary artery disease risk.”
The benefit of sucralose, stevia, etc in an endurance nutrition product are non-existent, while the risks are still potential damage to vital organs.
Not a trade off any of us should make.
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1000 Mg de Sodium / Litre
What’s an OZ? The wizard?
1000 mg per liter, standard unit of measure for liquids. Simple.
Salty! A billion grammes.
Anyway, enough of this fuel and hydration nerding.
Unmute!
I never use any sugar substitutes in my day to day, so getting them forced on me with electrolytes is really annoying when I want sugar primarily dispensed with water. It is the most convenient way to get the sugar I need and I don’t need sugar substitutes. What’s with the guys at Precision putting artificial sweetners in?
Why can’t precision just add in some sugar and maltodextrin to their Ironman mix? It’s not that hard !!!
As much as I hate Coca Cola and Pepsi for collectively poisoning humaninty on the way to their combined $500 billion market cap, at least their sports drink product roughly get the need for carbs + electrolytes on the fly.
Why can’t Precision serve their carb heavy drink? It’s not like Ironman was not serving Gatorade when they had gel sponsors on course. @rrheisler I do get that maybe it is a very stupid Ironman contracting thing.
At the worlds level, athletes are reasonably informed and also capable. At the local race level putting athletes out on course without carbs in the drink is like sending people on an Everest expedition with no food.
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If you choose to climb Everest without doing the bare minimum research and invest in educating yourself before the expedition then you have no reason to complain when you join Green Boots. An athlete who invests in training for an Ironman and doesn’t bother to learn what is in the basic offering on a course deserves to bonk. Taking even the slightest ownership in your race prep is the lowest bar to clear.
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I don’t think you or anyone on this thread understands just how hard and expensive it is to “just put their carb heavy” drink on course would be.
I volunteered at Eagleman prepping Mortal and it was absolutely brutal. Opening up those bottles to fill ripped up everyone’s hands. The process was not easy or fun. I’d hope the tabs would make using the PFH easier than the Mortal to prep.
Well, they used to with Gatorade Endurance. But Gatorade was a huge company that could provide their product in plastic bottles at scale. I would much prefer to have the Precision powder mixed with water in a bottle on course as it’s what I race and train with but that means buying all the bottles and doing all the mixing for Ironman.