Ironman Elevation Gain

Hello All,

Anyone know bike elevation gain for IM Japan?

Here are some others from a Google search:

http://rcmioga.blogspot.com/2008/07/im-course-elevation-data.html)

Author states:

I went through the Motion Based database of GPS data on elevation gain for all of the IM courses in the world. There are a few missing. I took the first five “legit” GPS downloads for each course and averaged them. i was struck by the variation from download to download–frequently 2000 vertical feet. In any event, here are the results of that analysis (total positive vertical elevation change in feet):

  1. France 11193
  2. Lanzarote 10282
  3. Lake Placid 7911
  4. Austria 7829
  5. Australia 7659
  6. Louisville 7578
  7. Switzerland 7505
  8. Wisconsin 7353
  9. Canada 6719
  10. Coeur D’Alene 5851
  11. Brazil 5419
  12. Germany 5281
  13. S. Africa 5182
  14. Hawaii 4554 (another source gives 4901)
  15. Arizona 3824
  16. W. Australia 2538
  17. Florida 2007

I would be suspicious of the reliablity/accuracy of the values giving since the author averaged the numbers in Motionbased from unknown users’ accounts. In motionbased you can set if you want your elevation corrected or not, so if the user chose not to it can give very different results than when the corrections are on.

How did they get 2007 ft for Ironman florida…this is 1/3 the elevation to the Mont Ventoux summit!

Ditto for IMWA. I’d be surprised if there was >100m of elevation change on the whole bike.

Rob

I dug into this a few years back.

If you go over a flat bridge (over a river say), where you have zero gain/lost on the road, most mapping units can register any where from 50 to 500 feet elevation change as it reads up and down the embankment. The mapping software views the road as molding to the contour of the land it is on. The more bridges/overpasses the more this adds up. Not sure that it would add up to 2000 feet for IMFL, but it does add up.

If you are in hilly terrain, the effect is magnified even more. IE. if you take a bridge over a 500 ft ravine, you get credit for climbing that revine.

Looks like Louisville is about 1200' high.  I believe it was measured by several riders at 6300ish.

Sure glad I’m doing Lanzarote this year.

IMWA - I was thinking more like 10 or 20 metres…

This is pretty much worthless…Lake Placid is off by 1800 feet, Florida is off by 2000 feet, and Louisville is off by another 1500-2000…Place little to no value in the data from motion based.

Bob

Hello Macho Grande and All,

Do you know where any bike elevation gain data is published for IM Japan?

Trimaven has data for some races but not IM Japan. (unsure about accuracy)

http://www.trimaven.com/Ironman/hawaii/Bike-Course

The Ironman Hawaii bike course is a 1 loop course, heading up the west coast of the big island to Hawi. Starting at T1 you will follow the town roads towards the Queen K, a non-technical course perfect for aerobars. Comprised of mainly rolling hills the only elevation you need to be concerned with is the 12 mile climb towards Hawi, which is also the turn around point. The ironman hawaii bike course is well paved and clearly marked. Besides the lava fields the course is known for its legendary winds, hence why disc wheels are not used.

Ironman Hawaii Bike Course records Normann Stadler (GER - 2006) – 4:18:23, Paula Newby-Fraser (ZIM - 1993) – 4:48:30

Ironman Hawaii Bike Course Elevation
Total(ft)
Total Elevation
9,798
Elevation Gain
4,901
Elevation Loss
4,896
Start Elevation
68
Finish Elevation
73
Min. Elevation
67
Max. Elevation
669

Grade
Average %
Maximum %
Overall Grade
0.0

Ascent
1.9%
8.8%
Descent
-1.5%
-8.4%

Distance Distribution
miles
% of total
Distance
112
100%
Ascent
15
14%
Descent
15
14%
Flats
82
72%
Aid Stations: approximately every 10 miles, serving:
· Gatorade Endurance Formula (orange)
· Water
· PowerBar Gels
· PowerBars
· Oranges
· Bananas

Cheers,

Neal

Hello All,

Anyone know bike elevation gain for IM Japan?

Here are some others from a Google search:

http://rcmioga.blogspot.com/…-elevation-data.html)

Author states:

I went through the Motion Based database of GPS data on elevation gain for all of the IM courses in the world. There are a few missing. I took the first five “legit” GPS downloads for each course and averaged them. i was struck by the variation from download to download–frequently 2000 vertical feet. In any event, here are the results of that analysis (total positive vertical elevation change in feet):

  1. France 11193
  2. Lanzarote 10282
  3. Lake Placid 7911
  4. Austria 7829
  5. Australia 7659
  6. Louisville 7578
  7. Switzerland 7505
  8. Wisconsin 7353
  9. Canada 6719
  10. Coeur D�Alene 5851
  11. Brazil 5419
  12. Germany 5281
  13. S. Africa 5182
  14. Hawaii 4554 (another source gives 4901)
  15. Arizona 3824
  16. W. Australia 2538
  17. Florida 2007

I did 3 of it and the values are completely over-estimated. Switzerland was around 5000 feet and is now (2 instead 3 loops) more around 3500. Arizona is around 1400 feet and Hawaii is around 4800 feet. I also trained on French IM and it is around 6000 feet (174km).
Austria is clearly also complety wrong.

What are you basing your numbers off of? FWIW I ran an Edge 705 at IMFL this year and showed 2239 elev. gain.

I was being facetious about IMFL, but most, if not all of those numbers are way off…

If you got 2200 feet, that means the Motionbased number is over 30% off on average.

Bob

These numbers are seriously flawed. Unless you are going to Japan to preview the course, I suggest determining the elevations yourself by using an upgraded version of Google Earth or map-my-ride, both of which would be more accurate than these estimates. Failing that, trust the info on the event’s website before relying on these stats. For instance, examine the logic of the data at opposite ends of this list. I am pretty sure that Lazarote has little more than 9000’, and France – while its website claims about 6200’ – actually feels closer to 7500+; however, there’s no way it’s more than Lazarote, much less 11,000+'. At the bottom of the list, ask yourself how is it possible for IMFL and AZ to have such elevations? Common sense estimates lead even a semi-knowledgeable observer to conclude that virtually all of the rcmioga.blogspot’s numbers are misleading at best. Do your own homework.