IRONMAN Announces Performance-Based Qualifying for Kona and 70.3 World Championship

I don’t think there is the same depth of field in the younger age groups in North America as there is in Europe. My hunch is if you look at the top younger age group results from worlds they are highly concentrated with European athletes we are “pre pro” or “almost pro”. That cohort in North American racing I THINK is less so you may see less young people in North America make it to the top tier of North America racing age graded results.

On the other hand the 50+ age groups at worlds probably have a sprinking of racers from all over the world, All the older athletes from the world benefit from the top 20% from worlds (who are also from around the world), but the younger age groupers in North America are kind of penalized by the fast 18-29 year old Europeans who are dominating worlds because they are just not as fast.

It’s just a hypothesis for now

So my conclusion so far is that if you want to qualify, as a strong, younger all-around athlete, you should choose a slow race with as large a gap as possible between the older age groups.

This will definitely make some different races more attractive and will attract the top age groupers chasing fast finish times to “slower” races.

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A French media outlet ran a simulation for the top100 using the results from Les Sables-d’Olonne.

the result by AG for the 100 first
|F45|2|
|F50|2|
|F55|1|
|F70|1|
|M18|5|
|M25|9|
|M30|11|
|M35|15|
|M40|11|
|M45|10|
|M50|14|
|M55|10|
|M60|8|

A friend of mine did the same thing for Nice, and the result is way different

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Ha, this is going to look pretty bad for Ironman if they’re barely giving any slots to women.

Two females in the top 61 age graded results, at 23 and 29. Six in the top 100. Yikes!

My gut feeling is the top women in Kona are closer to the top men. But at the regular race the women only get “corrected” based on how much slower the top women are in Kona, not how they are doing relative to the male field in the local race, so it may be that the “average KQ range women in the local event” are penalized by the top 20 percent fast women at Kona in the calculation

Good hypothesis.

It’s going to be problematic for Ironman if women only end up getting 10% of the slots at races.

Interested to see what Placid’s numbers look like if someone runs the numbers using the new system.

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Here you go

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So at IMLP 46 slots for women for Kona had the new system been applied for a combined worlds at Kona? That seems quite reasonable

yep lowest age grade time (so the time to beat for the M30-34 age group) was 9:50:36

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The disparity compared with the French race is crazy.

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Well something doesn’t make sense in that chart because every gender age group still gets 1 slot no matter what the performance rankings are. so unless in some of those groups there were literally no racers

They were just showing the top 100 age graded results without regard to slots.

Oh wait, I thought it was the 100 top age graded based on 100 slots available, If not this should be shown based on slots available. If the 46 women in the top 100 happen to be between 40-100 and there are only 50 slots for example, then that’s not a lot of slots that would have gone to women at LP. On the other hand if there were 46 women in the top 60, then its not a lot of men going to Kona.

Yeah you need to run the numbers assuming about 50 slots for next year.

No, I was talking about the chart regarding the French race posted above.

i have made a script to make the chart easily

i remove the pros.
i take the first of each AG. then i complete to have 100 results

Hopefully (and i have checked twice, because results are way different than in france), i have results looking like Tri78910

But Lake placid has way more female athletes starting :

Nice
 M18-24 : 122
 F18-24 : 7
 M25-29 : 314
 F25-29 : 30
 M30-34 : 290
 F30-34 : 47
 M35-39 : 172
 F35-39 : 18
 M40-44 : 201
 F40-44 : 15
 M45-49 : 157
 F45-49 : 17
 M50-54 : 165
 F50-54 : 17
 M55-59 : 92
 F55-59 : 4
 M60-64 : 56
 F60-64 : 3
 M65-69 : 15
 F65-69 : 0
 M70-74 : 4
 F70-74 : 0
 M75-79 : 2
gender
M    1309
F     134

Sable : 
 M18-24 : 100
 F18-24 : 15
 M25-29 : 253
 F25-29 : 48
 M30-34 : 345
 F30-34 : 49
 M35-39 : 322
 F35-39 : 29
 M40-44 : 364
 F40-44 : 40
 M45-49 : 327
 F45-49 : 39
 M50-54 : 341
 F50-54 : 37
 M55-59 : 200
 F55-59 : 23
 M60-64 : 94
 F60-64 : 4
 M65-69 : 11
 F65-69 : 2
 M70-74 : 1
 F70-74 : 1
 gender
M    2265
F     275

Lake Placid
 M18-24 : 148
 F18-24 : 35
 M25-29 : 269
 F25-29 : 64
 M30-34 : 238
 F30-34 : 67
 M35-39 : 205
 F35-39 : 72
 M40-44 : 213
 F40-44 : 61
 M45-49 : 152
 F45-49 : 72
 M50-54 : 137
 F50-54 : 64
 M55-59 : 146
 F55-59 : 41
 M60-64 : 89
 F60-64 : 32
 M65-69 : 28
 F65-69 : 9
 M70-74 : 7
 F70-74 : 1
 M75-79 : 5
 gender
M    1433
F     432

So i checked others races :
Florida

Texas

Arizona

California

Now back to Europe :
Barcelona

Frankfurt

Hambourg

Copenhagen

Cascais

other places in the world :
Busselton

Cairns

South Africa

Korea

Malaysia

Brazil

You want qualify ? Go to Las Vegas, it is more predictable !

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perhaps same thing for 70.3 tomorrow

Europe is a sausage fest!

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Title IX kicks ass.

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