I was looking for the overall results from Ironamn Hawaii 1989…anybody know if they are online?? A friend of mine went 8:48 that year(Patrick Bateman)…I think he held the 25-29 record until recently and I was interested in seeing splits.
HC
Here you go, Hawaii 89…people forget how fast PNF went while Dave and Mark battled it out…9hours flat in the age before aero doodads…
That men’s top 15 is like a who’s who of tri: Allen, Scott, Welch, Glah, Kiuru, Tinley, Zack, Cordier, Browning, Dietrich, Barel…what an effing stacked field. This is like the New York Yankees all time all star team !
IRONMAN HAWAII ~ 01-OCT-1989
Swim 3.8k, Bike 180k, Run 42.2k
**TOP MALE ATHLETES** **PL** **NAME** **NAT** **SWIM** **BIKE** **RUN** **TOTAL** **DIFF.** 1 <u>MARK ALLEN</u> USA 00:51:17 04:37:52 02:40:04 08:09:15 - 2 <u>DAVE SCOTT</u> <u></u> 00:51:16 04:37:53 02:41:03 08:10:13 0:00:58 3 <u>GREG WELCH</u> <u></u> 00:51:39 04:43:43 02:56:53 08:32:16 0:23:01 4 <u>KEN GLAH</u> USA 00:51:24 04:38:57 03:02:10 08:32:32 0:23:17 5 <u>PAULI KIURU</u> <u></u> 00:53:29 04:43:08 02:56:03 08:32:42 0:23:27 6 <u>SCOTT TINLEY</u> <u></u> 00:54:15 04:38:53 03:03:43 08:36:52 0:27:37 7 <u>JÜRGEN ZÄCK</u> <u></u> 00:52:23 04:39:20 03:06:49 08:38:33 0:29:18 8 <u>YVES CORDIER</u> <u></u> 00:51:20 04:41:50 03:06:01 08:39:13 0:29:58 9 <u>RAY BROWNING</u> <u></u> 00:51:33 04:42:04 03:05:57 08:39:35 0:30:20 10 <u>WOLFGANG DITTRICH</u> <u></u> 00:48:13 04:39:04 03:12:38 08:39:56 0:30:41 11 <u>ROB BAREL</u> <u></u> 00:51:25 04:55:28 02:54:34 08:41:28 0:32:13 12 <u>ERIC PLANTIN</u> <u></u> 00:57:18 04:43:31 03:01:10 08:42:00 0:32:45 13 <u>JEFF DEVLIN</u> <u></u> 00:55:47 04:49:16 02:58:53 08:43:57 0:34:42 14 <u>HIDEYA MIYAZUKA</u> <u></u> 00:56:47 04:46:46 03:00:54 08:44:28 0:35:13 15 <u>MIKE PIGG</u> <u></u> 00:51:18 04:38:01 03:16:05 08:45:26 0:36:11
**TOP FEMALE ATHLETES** **PL** **NAME** **NAT** **SWIM** **BIKE** **RUN** **TOTAL** **DIFF.** 1 <u>PAULA NEWBY-FRASER</u> USA 00:54:19 05:01:00 03:05:37 09:00:56 - 2 <u>SYLVIANE PUNTOUS</u> <u></u> 00:56:33 05:09:28 03:15:53 09:21:55 0:20:59 3 <u>KIRSTEN HANSSEN</u> <u></u> 00:53:52 05:05:17 03:25:22 09:24:31 0:23:35 4 <u>FERNANDA KELLER</u> BRA 01:02:18 05:20:33 03:15:42 09:38:33 0:37:37 5 <u>SUE LATSHAW</u> <u></u> 00:56:36 05:10:31 03:35:52 09:43:00 0:42:04 6 <u>JAN WANKLYN</u> AUS 00:52:29 05:27:54 03:22:54 09:43:18 0:42:22 7 <u>TINA BISCHOFF</u> <u></u> 00:54:31 05:22:23 03:27:41 09:44:37 0:43:41 8 <u>JULIE WILSON</u> <u></u> 00:56:38 05:07:31 03:41:26 09:45:36 0:44:40 9 <u>LESLIE FEDON</u> <u></u> 00:54:16 05:19:10 03:35:50 09:49:17 0:48:21 10 <u>AMY AIKMAN</u> <u></u> 00:58:19 05:31:33 03:22:57 09:52:51 0:51:55 11 <u>LAURIE SAMUELSON</u> <u></u> 00:53:27 05:31:01 03:34:55 09:59:24 0:58:28 12 <u>JUNKO MURAKAMI</u> <u></u> 01:02:21 05:22:01 03:35:24 09:59:46 0:58:50 13 <u>PAULA JOHNSON</u> <u></u> 00:57:33 05:22:11 03:41:49 10:01:33 1:00:37 14 <u>JANINE DALEY</u> <u></u> 00:58:11 05:33:27 03:32:38 10:04:17 1:03:21 15 <u>JANET STAMPER</u> <u></u> 00:55:55 05:35:20 03:35:51 10:07:07 1:06:11
…and Rob Barel, runs 2:54 at Kona 89 nad then races as a 40 year old stud at the Sydney 2000 Olympics. Allen and Scott were just on a different level that day, …when is the last time, TWO guys ran sub 2:42 and on that day, both of them OUTBIKED Wolfgang Dietrich, Zack and Pauli Kiuru. Allen and Scott put down the hammer in all three sports as did PNF. I wonder if we will ever see such a race again.
We need to see that $1Million dollar prize for a men’s sub 8 or a women’s sub 9. This is the only way we’ll see times like these again.
… and Fernanda Keller won Brazil Ironman in 2004, was second in 2005 and 8th in Kona in 2004.
For 1989, Patrick went 8:48:48.1
Splits were:
swim: 49:15.4 (4th)
bike: 4:46:59.4 (25th)
run: 3:12:33.3 (40th)
18th overall.
I wonder if we will ever see such a race again.
Dev
Not to put down those incredible performances, but from what I understand about the race back then, we’ll see such times again when they put the lead vehicle right back in front of the lead riders.
I hope that is not the reason they went so fast. That was my favourite race of all time. Are you sure they were drafting?
I hope that is not the reason they went so fast. That was my favourite race of all time. Are you sure they were drafting?
No, I’m not sure, I’m just rechurning suggestions from both Inside Triathlon Magazine and this forum. There have been numerous threads here about why times were so much faster then using old training methods and far less aero equipment. Drugs, competition, drafting-enforcement have all been put forward by various people in the very early days (pre-89) but I just refered to several suggestions that the TV van helped the top two guys somewhat. Even if it did, they were still studs to run like that.
…when is the last time, TWO guys ran sub 2:42
Even better, the run split includes transition time.
Alex
I wonder if we will ever see such a race again
Could be this year…
With the right wind and two guys who can run (any of Reid, Deboom or Brown, Macca say…) coming off the bike together after chasing a guy like Stadler (you know they’re not going to let him get 20 mins this year) … Then they’ll have to feed off each other like Allen/Scott did on the run. Reid-Deboom, Reid-Deboom and Brown/Macca… it all looks good.
The “runners” or should I say “winners” have adapted to the new drafting rules (instead of whinning and bitching like the “bikers” did) and won’t be embarassed this year. Look at Brown at Ironman NZ this year…Andersson et el didn’t get away from him on the bike and he still ran 2:48ish… They’ve adapted guys.
Maybe not 8:10 but sub 8:20.
Both Mark and Dave had their best Ironman runs on that day. Classic.
/Not to put down those incredible performances, but from what I understand about the race back then, we’ll see such times again when they put the lead vehicle right back in front of the lead riders/
Not to put them down, that’s exactly what you did. Why not just come out and say they went so fast because they took drugs, or that they two manned the bike the whole way. You have no idea what happened in that race. In fact, the lead van was on Wolfgang, check his splits, and I know he did not draft. They had figured out the van effect in the mid 80’s, and they made every effort to keep them off the riders. Sure, once in awhile they would get close to get their shots, but same thing goes for todays races. I was there, and those guys are just plain faster than todays athletes. They both had incredible heat physioliogy, and they hit their peaks at the same moment. That’s what made that a special race in Ironman history. If you look at the other top 10 bike splits, you will see they are not out of line with Dave and Mark’s splits. Did they all have vans too?? It was a fast day as Ironman courses go, but the head to head race of the two best of all time, is what pushed them to those great times…
…and what is incredible is that although people claim that Wolfgang could not run, the man was a veritable machine. After spending all day drafting NO ONE in the swim or bike, he still pulls off a credible 3:12.
If forgot that back then the run times INCLUDED T2. Mark and Dave were just insane…likely both in the sub 2:40 range that day. the pictures of Scott dripping sweat from head to toe while Allen surges are clearly imprinted in my head like it was yesterday. Now if I could only find that VHS tape which is somewhere in the house. Between the 89 Ironman and the 89 Tour de France when “AerobarBOY” Lemond took the TdF by 8 seconds, I can’t think of a more amazing year in endurance sports…now, I must go find that tape with both races…
…oh yeah…and PNF run’s a min faster than Zack but only a min slower than Tinley…amazing. Is this the year that Erin Baker had her first child (as she is not in the results) ?
That is so cool…the number five woman, Sue Latshaw and I used to work together at REI Berkeley. I was still bicycle road racing and running the bike sales floor there. I remember Sue had some injury issues she had to work through before that super performance but she was (probably still is) a superstar to us in the bike shop.
Sorry Monty, you’re correct, Wolfgang led the whole bike. The lead-van issue referred to Dave Scott’s era a few years earlier. I’d though it was in '89 because of the fact that the two winners got on and came off the bike at the same time. It can’t be a statistical anomaly that conditions were always faster in that era (heck, the course was slightly harder) so, given that until Macormack last year nobody had recorded a top-25 Ironman time for 5 years, you’ve got to look at other influences. My theories, which no longer involve vans, are that they trained harder (or smarter) back then, and that now that the bigger money comes from short-course racing, due to the Olympics etc, that’s where the talent is going.
(Edit: typo)
Putting all the thoeries about the course aside, I think the biggest reason why the times were fast are because all the pros raced short course all season.
Look at some of the top 10: Allen, Scott, Welch, Glah, Pigg. These guys were short course studs on fire all year. They posted FASTER Olympic distance times than today’s ITU racers WITHOUT drafting. Allen was the 89 ITU World Champ in Avignon in July.
They were truly all round triathletes. The short course racing made them fast. They did not get “slower and slower” racing 3-4 ironmmans per year, sucking the legs out of their bodies. They saved the legs for ONE Ironman per year…HAWAII.
Come September, they did a big huge volume push for Kona, and already had speed.
You don’t run 2:40 fresh without significant speedwork. These guys had the speed and endurance, and I’ll question flat out if any of today’s Ironman pros have that. If Macca or Lessing can put it together, they are closest that we have, but they have not conquored Kona yet (of course it took Allen 7 tries).
Dev
BigBloke, I want to buy you a beer. People on this forum usually will go down in flames, before they give an inch to another viewpoint. The reason Dave and Mark were so close together is because up until then, Mark had gone off the front and blown at almost every attempt in Hawaii. He figured he was the best triathlon runner in the world( which he was), so why not just shadow Dave until crunch time came, which is exactly what he did. Dave attacked the entire race to drop Mark, and was as agressive as anyone who has ever done that race. I mean guys today are riding steady HR’s, always scared of blowing up. Dave surged many times at 5:30 or so pace during the marathon, and recovered to keep running fast. All that after torching the bike ride to try and take some of the piss out of Mark’s legs. Imagine guys today throwing in some 5:30 miles in the race, I don’t think that they can imagine it. Now you have two guys throwing this incredible pace and surges at each other, and they both finish strong. That’s how sub 2:40’s get run in Hawaii. (minus the transitions)
<< The lead-van issue referred to Dave Scott’s era a few years earlier.
actually the accusations about being shielded from the wind by the press van was in the John Howard era. In 1980 Howard went 4:28 (Honolulu course) on a standard road bike. The next year, the first year in Kona, Howard went 5:03, to win it overall, and outsplit the next fastest bike split by 30 minutes. That 5:03 held up as the fastest bike split until 85 when Tinely became the first person to break 5 hours in Kona going 4:54:07.
Monty describes it like he is sitting there on the slowtwitchlive.com motorbike doing colour commentary for the time capsule Slowtwitch TV/web network feed. This is exactly how it happened, at least according to that tape that I can’t seem to find !!!
I vote Monty in for next year’s TdF and Trautwig out…