I was told the water temp today was just over 25… Probably will drop a bit by tomorrow morning, but if not and it is deemed non-wetsuit, can you wear a swimskin over your tri suit??
Yes, you can always wear a swim skin in a non wetsuit swim
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Thx!
Yes. See the relevant section from the 2016 Ironman Competition Rules below:
Section 4.03 SWIMWEAR POLICY WHEN THE USE OF WETSUITS IS PROHIBITED
(a) Swimwear must be 100% textile material, which is defined as materials consisting of natural and/or synthetic, individual and nonâ€consolidated yarns used to constitute a fabric by weaving, knitting and/or braiding (this generally refers to suits made only from nylon or lycra that do not have any rubberized material such as polyurethane or neoprene); (DSQ)
(b) Swimwear may contain a zipper;
(c) Sleeves that extend from shoulder to elbow may be worn;
(d) Wetsuit (neoprene) shorts/bottoms are prohibited (DSQ);
(e) Swimwear must not cover the neck, must not extend past the elbow, and must not extend past the knees; (DSQ) and
(f) A textile race kit may be worn underneath swimwear, provided, however, that the textile race kit must not extend past the elbow and must not extend past the knees. (DSQ)
Perfect, thanks!
Sounds like a certain no wetsuit event for pros and for age groupers it will be borderline. It’s tough for the small skinny athletes when the water is on the borderline because by the end of the swim they will be shaking like leaves on an autumn tree, and then if air is 18C and raining, then lots of people will end up hypothermic. If that is you, make sure at T1, you all bundle up to build some body heat, or else there is a good chance of DNF. For larger guys who are strong swimmers, this will be perfect race conditions…borderline cold water with no wetsuit, mild rain on the bike to keep you cool.
Hmmm…I’m not small and skinny, but I’m not a really strong swimmer. In a wetsuit, I’d be around 1:12… I wasn’t planning on wearing any extra clothing tomorrow since the temp forecast for 8AM is 21 with a ‘feels like’ 27…
Hmmm…I’m not small and skinny, but I’m not a really strong swimmer. In a wetsuit, I’d be around 1:12… I wasn’t planning on wearing any extra clothing tomorrow since the temp forecast for 8AM is 21 with a ‘feels like’ 27…
If you are not small and skinny you are likely OK. But if water is right on 76F and the athlete is small and lean, they will be cold after the swim (personally I have been borderline hypothermic at IM Texas). But if air temp is hot no problem…when air temp is cold and wet then it is a double whammy on the bike. Look what happened to Daniela Ryf at Frankfurt and arguably she is biking harder than a lot of age grouper and generating more watts to heat herself back up.
I’m betting it will be wetsuit legal for AG’ers. I’m thinking with the cloud cover this afternoon, and overnight temps slightly lower, they should be able to find a spot in the water that is half a degree cooler than it was mid-day today…
So the next question is how likely are we to overheat in a wetsuit at 24 degrees?! 
I’m betting it will be wetsuit legal for AG’ers. I’m thinking with the cloud cover this afternoon, and overnight temps slightly lower, they should be able to find a spot in the water that is half a degree cooler than it was mid-day today…
So the next question is how likely are we to overheat in a wetsuit at 24 degrees?!
Yeah, almost 100% certain that someone can drop some ice cubes in the lake exactly where the temp is taken. It’s one thing for IM Texas to be no wetsuit when most who go there, plan for it. At a race like Tremblant very few are ready for a no wetsuit swim and if it is borderline, WTC seems to find ways. Having said that Triathlon Quebec is super strict on temp cutoffs and we have a ton of no wetsuit swims under ITU cut offs in Quebec compared to Ontario where you’d literally have to pay someone to make a race no wetsuit.
So while WTC may want no wetsuit, knowing the track record of Triathlon Quebec, it might not be a slam dunk. I don’t know who makes the final call though.
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Interesting. Everyone swore steelhead would be legal (and in fact the buoy at Bridgman which is just south of there was reading 74.8 morning of) but they somehow managed to not be able to get less than a 76.5. So I wonder if WTC is being more honest about it than perhaps in the past - I feel pretty confident they could have found a place to get <76 if they really were result-oriented.
Interesting. Everyone swore steelhead would be legal (and in fact the buoy at Bridgman which is just south of there was reading 74.8 morning of) but they somehow managed to not be able to get less than a 76.5. So I wonder if WTC is being more honest about it than perhaps in the past - I feel pretty confident they could have found a place to get <76 if they really were result-oriented.
We had a similar situation in Muncie this year; I was certain they would “find” a cool spot but no such luck. Suited me fine as I’m better at swimming than biking or running, and it was a nice warm day.
I thought Triathlon Quebec had sanctioned IMMT. One suit rule in effect ??
The IMMT Facebook page said 72 degrees Fahrenheit earlier today. Did the temp climb that high in just one day?
Official temperature was 68 today per the website and the board at the swim start… The air temp was 75. Definitely wetsuit legal.
Official temperature was 68 today per the website and the board at the swim start… The air temp was 75. Definitely wetsuit legal.
I got a response from Marc Roy saying water temp was 22 C. This would make it wetsuit for age groupers and on the borderline for pros.
My question was more about which rulebook was in play. The WTC is the race director but if the race is sanctioned by Triathlon Canada (or one it’s PGB) then in the rare event of water above 24 C people might be shocked to see the ITU 1 suit rule being used aka no swim skins.
My question was more about which rulebook was in play. The WTC is the race director but if the race is sanctioned by Triathlon Canada (or one it’s PGB) then in the rare event of water above 24 C people might be shocked to see the ITU 1 suit rule being used aka no swim skins.The athletes guide shows the standard WTC policy regarding swimskins if the temperature exceeds 76.1 - so they would have been legal.
Pretty much all WTC athlete guides are copy and paste on those sections. Any wording that says the race is sanctioned by another body would prompt me to check their rules. I could see a TD saying they are not legal. Same as there is nob such thing as wetsuit optional in that rulebook. Looks like a moot point anyways.
My question was more about which rulebook was in play. The WTC is the race director but if the race is sanctioned by Triathlon Canada (or one it’s PGB) then in the rare event of water above 24 C people might be shocked to see the ITU 1 suit rule being used aka no swim skins.
My understanding is that WTC gets authority to use their rules in addition to or instead of certain rules by sanctioning bodies. Hence why there are differences in USAT and WTC rules when it comes to several things. I would expect that to be no different when dealing with sanctioning bodies in other countries. WTC wants a universal set of rules for their races and my guess is they tell the sanctioning bodies what’s going to happen and not so much the other way around. 400 pound gorillas get to do that.