Does anybody wish IM would stop using pink caps for the women? It makes us a target for some men who like to hit you on purpose, even if you are at the back of the pack. How about one color for everybody? (except pros, of course)
And this is a bad thing, why??
And this is a bad thing, why??
She said hit, not “hit on”.
I’ve asked several of my female friend who are triathletes and have competed for several years, they’ve never had a man intentionally hit them. I’ve been kicked in the face, arm into my feet, etc, but I none of this is intentional, it’s just the nature of the swim. When I’m swimming and someone passes me I don’t think to myself “Oh, he’s in yellow, he is a 35+ male AGer”, Hell, I don’t even remember what my swim cap color is once the gun goes off. I’m not trying to belittle what has happened to you, I’m I guess I’m just curious how you know these men are intentionally taking a swing at you, as a female.
Does anybody wish IM would stop using pink caps for the women? It makes us a target for some men who like to hit you on purpose, even if you are at the back of the pack. How about one color for everybody? (except pros, of course)
I find it hard to believe that anyone is hitting anyone else on purpose - especially a female. It’s a perception issue that many females have for some unknown (and often irrational) reason.
There’s 2500 people swimming in a confined space. Contact will happen and it’s almost always unintentional. My perception is that female AGers tend to take the swim jiu-jitsu a little too personal i.e. that guy hit me on purpose. No, it was incidental contact that happened to be a guy hitting a girl. Trust me, guys are hitting guys at a much higher rate than we’re hitting the females since they’re more of us. If a race is 80% males and 20% females (or whatever the normal percentage is)… odds are a female is getting hit by a male since we outnumber you four to one. There’s not some mass conspiracy against women. It’s just simple mathematics.
My experience has been women are far nastier in the water than men. I got kicked in the face real hard at IMFL 2010. I had to swim inside the buoy line and fix my goggles and collect my thoughts. I ended up with a black eye like a raccoon. The dude that kicked me actually swam over to me to ask if I was okay. That probably added a minute or two to his swim time (as it did mine) but I thought that was awesome. No f’n way a female would have ever done that. I have hit or been hit unintentionally in just about every race I’ve done. It’s just par for the course. There’s usually a “Sorry, dude!” from the offending party in just about every instance in which it was male on male contact (yeah, I typed that). Unintentional contact with a female usually results in a steady stream of violence and profanities from the female.
I think your perception is not reality.
I’ve asked several of my female friend who are triathletes and have competed for several years, they’ve never had a man intentionally hit them. I’ve been kicked in the face, arm into my feet, etc, but I none of this is intentional, it’s just the nature of the swim. When I’m swimming and someone passes me I don’t think to myself “Oh, he’s in yellow, he is a 35+ male AGer”, Hell, I don’t even remember what my swim cap color is once the gun goes off. I’m not trying to be little what has happened to you, I’m I guess I’m just curious how you know these men are intentionally taking a swing at you, a female.
I’m female and I was most definitely intentionally hit by a couple of guys in IMLP a few years ago. I’m an faster swimmer anyways, which probably contributed to it as the guys clearly didn’t like getting passed by a girl. I could tell they looked over at me, saw the pink cap, and then on their next stroke on that side, I got hit. There’s the normal contact that happens in a swim, whether it comes when someone is passing someone else or is just protecting their “space” in the water, and then there is the clearly intentionally, unhappy to be getting chicked contact. Back at IMLP, it was quite clear it was the latter one.
Get over yourself and race. I had a white swim cap and got hit in my last race. Get rid of white caps!
I’ve asked several of my female friend who are triathletes and have competed for several years, they’ve never had a man intentionally hit them. I’ve been kicked in the face, arm into my feet, etc, but I none of this is intentional, it’s just the nature of the swim. When I’m swimming and someone passes me I don’t think to myself “Oh, he’s in yellow, he is a 35+ male AGer”, Hell, I don’t even remember what my swim cap color is once the gun goes off. I’m not trying to be little what has happened to you, I’m I guess I’m just curious how you know these men are intentionally taking a swing at you, a female.
I’m female and I was most definitely intentionally hit by a couple of guys in IMLP a few years ago. I’m an faster swimmer anyways, which probably contributed to it as the guys clearly didn’t like getting passed by a girl. I could tell they looked over at me, saw the pink cap, and then on their next stroke on that side, I got hit. There’s the normal contact that happens in a swim, whether it comes when someone is passing someone else or is just protecting their “space” in the water, and then there is the clearly intentionally, unhappy to be getting chicked contact. Back at IMLP, it was quite clear it was the latter one.
I’m sorry to break it to you but the guys were not intentionally hitting you. It’s called psychological projection and in your case it’s mixed with a fair amount of narcissism.
I’ve asked several of my female friend who are triathletes and have competed for several years, they’ve never had a man intentionally hit them. I’ve been kicked in the face, arm into my feet, etc, but I none of this is intentional, it’s just the nature of the swim. When I’m swimming and someone passes me I don’t think to myself “Oh, he’s in yellow, he is a 35+ male AGer”, Hell, I don’t even remember what my swim cap color is once the gun goes off. I’m not trying to be little what has happened to you, I’m I guess I’m just curious how you know these men are intentionally taking a swing at you, a female.
I’m female and I was most definitely intentionally hit by a couple of guys in IMLP a few years ago. I’m an faster swimmer anyways, which probably contributed to it as the guys clearly didn’t like getting passed by a girl. I could tell they looked over at me, saw the pink cap, and then on their next stroke on that side, I got hit. There’s the normal contact that happens in a swim, whether it comes when someone is passing someone else or is just protecting their “space” in the water, and then there is the clearly intentionally, unhappy to be getting chicked contact. Back at IMLP, it was quite clear it was the latter one.
I’m sorry to break it to you but the guys were not intentionally hitting you. It’s called psychological projection and in your case it’s mixed with a fair amount of narcissism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/...hological_projection
Agreed.
The only time I’ve been intentionally hit or anything was by another female who grabbed my leg as I swam past her in the last 100 yards of a 70.3 swim. I’m confident the rest of the incidents were unintentional and just a result of a lot of people being in the same small space at the same time.
So yeah, maybe make all the swim caps the same color so the couple of jackass females out there don’t single the rest of us out.
You’re out of your mind. I finally got hit in the face pretty good for the first time a couple weeks ago (in a TT start event even, despite making it through an IMCdA swim unscathed) and even had the same thing where nothing happened one breath, then the next pow! But I’m not delusional enough to think it was an intentional hit.
If I actually notice that I am passing a female, which is unlikely, I tend to give a little extra room. I would feel bad about swimming over a girl.
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It’s a perception issue that many females have for some unknown (and often irrational) reason.
Rule #12: No matter how correct you are, never, ever call a woman “irrational” if you wish to continue living pleasantly.
It’s a perception issue that many females have for some unknown (and often irrational) reason.
Rule #12: No matter how correct you are, never, ever call a woman “irrational” if you wish to continue living pleasantly.
I would have worded it differently had that been directed towards my wife. 
Gman…calling someone irrational is pretty ballsy when you have no idea if you are talking to someone with a greater history…and probably more successful record than yourself. Perhaps you could look at the big picture of the quantity of ego centric racers who feel self entitled to compete in any manner they seem fit…so a person not caring whether they hit someone…or how…could be considered “intentional”…and not irrational as you suppose. To say one guy pulled over for you after kicking you makes all men great sportmen…really? Perhaps that is an irrational conclusion. Do you regularly stop and apologize to competitors…or survey others after racers about the amount and attitude after the swim?
Your agreement or not with trild’s opinion is your freedom…to make the suppositions and claims you have made with the limited info…and possibly limited experience was a bit short sited.
What does a successful record have to do with anything? As for ‘intentional’ I was under the impression there had to be intent. She seems to mistake negligent or incidental contact for some sort of malicious hit motivated by being “chicked” presumably. I’ve never heard of such a thing and would like to think there aren’t that many people being petty. It would seem that many of the other women are skeptical that they are being targeted and given that it’s a race where contact tends to occur it doesn’t really seem a stretch to say that this person is probably seeing something that isn’t there. Now if she was swimming to the outside and a bunch of guys come out chasing her that might be different, but it seems that she’s swimming where it’s crowded and complaining about being hit. Contact is a risk you take when you try to pass close to someone.
So remove all the cap colors and all is fair right? Why not remove any distinctions or presumptions. I find it interesting that you and other would say that because you are not malicious…or selfish in the swim portion. At this point, the swim is the only portion not monitered for proper sportmanship. She is speaking from past experience…and being targeted may also mean that guys find it easy …or easier to swim over a pick cap than a green one. As for Intentionality…selfishness is an intent last I heard.
So “link” the whole suggestions was all one color cap…would you have a problem with all competitors wearing the same color cap?
I can’t say I particularly care even if I question the reasoning. However I would be interested in knowing why there are different colors now. How would you know whether someone is hitting you on purpose anyway? Unless they swam out of their way or swam behind a particular person slapping his or her feet I have a hard time seeing how you could establish that someone is being targeted.
Actually I appreciate that the women have a different colour cap. If I happen to see a pink cap I do my best to try to give the individual room and not swim over them. After all I would expect other gentlemen to provide my wife the same courtesy.