Happy to answer, but what are your thoughts about my CTE question?
No different than MMA and boxing. Countries around the world love supporting entertainment where adults put themselves in harms way. I think it’s dumb.
So, am I complicit if my landlord uses my rent money for crimes?
It is also done in support of Penn State in my house, just to muddy the waters a bit more.
So you believe you would be complicit in the CTE crisis if you financially supported football in any way?
Yes, if my landlord was a serial killer and if l was aware that my rent payments were funding him or his killing sprees, yes, l would be complicit.
This is also true.
The documentary you linked is talking about a sexual abuse scandal that happened in the 1980s/90s and the guy died in 2005!
How the hell are people that watch NOW “helping the monster” when he did this 30-40 years ago and died 20 years ago?
What is the point of all of this?
Regarding your last paragraph:
What if someone has no other choice but to live in a place owned by a serial killer?
And if we’re complicit, then what should our penalties be?
And no, watching football doesn’t mean being complicit in CTE issues because, IMO, football is a contact sport that has strict rules to do their best to protect against head injuries. And this is a big difference to the NFL of the past. The goal of football is not bodily injury. And they wear pads.
Personally I feel Boxing is the worst because the only legitimate option is to give the other person a traumatic brain injury or severe bodily harm. There is no other goal like there is in football.
A good question. Haven’t yet seen the doc, but will follow up after the doc drops on 17 June.
My guess is that it might relate to still pending cases, and it might relate more to the enablers than the actual predator, but that is all just a guess.
I gotta say, this is a wild take coming from a highly trained health professional with a background in sports. Have you not seen any footbal games in the last few years?
So…because the cases are still pending, anyone who currently watches OSU football games, with staff that has nothing to do with the sexual assault from 30-40 years ago, is “helping the monster?”
Why is that a wild take? The goal of football is not to deliver head injuries. And the NFL, despite its tarnished past, has implemented new rules to mitigate this as best as possible. So watching the NFL doesn’t make one complicit and OK with any head injuries.
There is an ACL issue amongst youth soccer players. And I fully believe the largest risk factors are modifiable. I still promote youth soccer and watch youth soccer. Does this make me complicit in the ACL epidemic?
I would agree that it is of course not the “goal” of football. But repeated head trauma in football still happens one hell of a lot, especially considering the enormous population of child, adolescent, high school, college, and professional players in the usa.
And the NFL? Let’s not get started with them. They are far, far, far beyond “tarnished.”
In any case, the doc in the O.P. looks compelling to me and l will give it a shot. I find these types of “looks behind the curtain” interesting because l still have a very hard time understanding how so many so called normal people in big institutions can rationalize the enabling and protecting of some seriously sick and predatory people.
You ever get your bike brake situation sorted?
As I said, there is an ACL epidemic in youth soccer. ACL injuries are not the goal of soccer yet it still happens a hell of a lot. And also as I said, there is a lot of evidence pointing to modifiable risk factors. Yet I still watch, support, and promote youth soccer.
Am I complicit in the ACL epidemic?
No movement yet with the bike stuff, but I’m brainstorming! I owe you a reply, apologies.
If that was your point, then you could’ve done so without such an inflammatory subject heading. Just stop it.
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A good question, but unfortunately only you can answer that about yourself.
I can say that to me prior to this relevation, soccer seemed, on some levels at least, relatively benign. But if it is shredding kids’ knees irreversibly in a big way, yes, l myself would have serious second thoughts about supporting it as a sport for kids and youth. Adults too.
In my mind, a participant or spectator sport should not leave the athletes maimed (knees, brains, sexual assault, or anything else). If it does leave athletes maimed, l get zero enjoyment watching or supporting it. But YMMV.
Not really. You were the one who made the thread that said “If you watch activity X that makes individuals victims of harm then you are complicit in the process”
So its not up to me, I’m asking whether you think I’m complicit in the youth soccer ACL epidemic. Based on your own thread and logic.
This is interesting to me. We’re on a triathlon website and you make a living making proucts for triathlon, a spectator sport where 130+ people have died. If your rationale is that you would have “serious thoughts” about supporting a sport that maims people then how do you justify making your living supporting a sport that doesn’t maim, but kills people far more than other sports?
False. I hate them both equally, mostly because my football team has been pretty terrible for the last couple of decades.
I made this thread to generate discussion. But, yes, I do personally think that the statement above is true in many cases.
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Yes, I imagine that, sure, triathlon has both killed and maimed people. We are kind of getting into the weeds here, but living life has killed and maimed people. Riding bicycles has killed and maimed people. Doing home repair has killed and maimed people. Watching TV has killed and maimed people.
You are not comfortable with boxing (regarding folks being maimed), I am not comfortable with football (regarding folks being maimed and assaulted). This is probably obvious, but, in the end, hopefully one gets knowledge of what is going on outwardly and behind the scenes in your sport or activity or institution of choice and then you must decide for yourself where you stand and what you feel is right regarding participating, spectating, supporting, or anything else.
We’re not getting into the weeds at all. You started a thread specifically calling out sports fans being for being complicit in maiming individuals simply by supporting the sport/school.
You then said spectator sports shouldn’t leave individuals maimed. And also said you’d have serious second thought about supporting those kinda of sports that leave people maimed.
The reality is your living/business supports triathlon specifically that doesn’t just maim people, it leaves them dead and at a much higher rate that most other spectator sports.
I don’t have to answer the question because it wasn’t my thread and it’s not my logic.
I’m asking you specifically how you can both claim fans are complicit in the maiming and that you don’t support that yet your very work supports a spectator sport that maims people.
This isn’t “in the weeds.” This is a direct question of your logic/rationale based on YOUR own thread and logic about sports and the resultant harm caused to others.
Where’s the rationale?
This exchange reminds me of what my son calls Waffle Syndrome.
Somebody will say they like pancakes. Inevitably someone will then reply,“why do you hate waffles?”
DSW is going down that path. If you support OSU, you must then be guilty of supporting abuse. It’s ridiculous and unproductive.