**UPDATE: **I tested out some of the suggestions below by connecting my Edge to the KICKR & my 920 to my Pioneer & found that the Pioneer power does seem to pass through the KICKR & transmit to the Garmin, but you lose cadence in this setup. So if you want to have data that goes from your PM to the KICKR & then send it to the Garmin, you have to choose what is more important to you, cadence or speed/distance. http://forum.slowtwitch.com/forum/?post=5901729#p5901729
Issue
I can’t get my KICKR to transmit speed to my Edge 510
Setup
Garmin Edge 510
Pioneer Power Meter
Wahoo KICKR
Wahoo TICKR (HR)
Wahoo RPM (Cadence)
Configuration
I control my KICKR from the iPhone App which is able to read all of the stats (speed, cadence, power, etc) from the TICKR & RPM along with the KICKR. My KICKR power is determined from what my Pioneer crank based power meter transmits.
I use my Edge 510 for my workouts. I program my workouts in Garmin Connect & the Edge 510 automatically alerts me at the start of a new interval along with keeping me in the requisite zones for the workout. The Edge gets power direct from my Pioneer & HR direct from the TICKR.
The problem is that I cannot connect the KICKR & RPM to the Edge 510 for speed & cadence. The 510 expects a combined speed/cadence sensor. If I had to have one, I would rather get speed from the KICKR over cadence from the RPM.
What have I tried?
Along with the normal plug/unplug and reboot/retry methods, I have also read in other threads that you have to connect by holding the computer on top of the cassette to get it to link. Unfortunately, this has also not worked. I’m at a loss & can’t figure out where to turn to, so I am coming to the experts here hoping for a solution.
I’ve got exactly the same issue with the snap and a stages pm. Does the kickr broadcast power/speed as a ‘bundle’ therefore by taking data from your pm, you have cut off the speed data from your kickr?
I hope someone has a solution for this as the only way I’ve been able to get speed from the Kickr is to also pair it as the power meter.
That could work if I connect the Edge to the KICKR & the KICKR is still getting its power from the Pioneer. My biggest gripe (as is the complaint of many others) is that the KICKR power can be 20W or more higher than my power meter. I like that the KICKR has the option to get its power from the Pioneer instead of the internal power meter.
Have you contacted Wahoo? I was having a problem connecting my iPad2 with wahoo key to my Kickr and they gave me a password to a beta firmware. It’s a beta that fixes issues with Ant+ FE-C. May not be related, but might? I haven’t tested since the upgrade but my Kickr is reading speed from somewhere to TrainerRoad but it’s super high. Hoping my new firmware will fix speed for me as well.
My biggest gripe (as is the complaint of many others) is that the KICKR power can be 20W or more higher than my power meter.
LOL - yup, me too. Wahoo are pretty much saying the problem is my power meter. I also find that as I increase cadence the power matches better e.g. cadence of 80 I’m having to put out 50 watts or more. Go up to 100 and it’s a lot closer to what my power meter is showing.
Unfortunately the simple answer is that it actually doesn’t do what you want for this scenario.
The KICKR transmits the speed channel alongside the power data (within the ANT+ power profile). So you have to take both to get speed. In your case, you want power coming from the Pioneer, so that hoses this part up.
The KICKR doesn’t transmit a secondary copy of speed on a speed-only channel. They had talked about doing this some years ago (Tacx does it for example), but nothing ever came of it.
Obviously, the last piece - cadence, comes from just telling the Edge 510 to look for a cadence-only sensor. But that doesn’t solve your speed problem.
Great info Ray. One question though. If I have the KICKR set up to get power readings from the Pioneer via the iOS app (and that works very well), would the KICKR transmit that power, almost like a passthrough, if I connect the Edge to it?
I will experiment with it at home & see what data I get if I connect the Edge to the KICKR to get power & speed, but thought you may know the quick answer.
Great info Ray. One question though. If I have the KICKR set up to get power readings from the Pioneer via the iOS app (and that works very well), would the KICKR transmit that power, almost like a passthrough, if I connect the Edge to it?
I will experiment with it at home & see what data I get if I connect the Edge to the KICKR to get power & speed, but thought you may know the quick answer.
Interesting question - I haven’t poked at it to see which one it re-transmits. Would be curious to know if you test/validate it.
Great info Ray. One question though. If I have the KICKR set up to get power readings from the Pioneer via the iOS app (and that works very well), would the KICKR transmit that power, almost like a passthrough, if I connect the Edge to it?
I will experiment with it at home & see what data I get if I connect the Edge to the KICKR to get power & speed, but thought you may know the quick answer.
Interesting question - I haven’t poked at it to see which one it re-transmits. Would be curious to know if you test/validate it.
I’ll do a side by side this weekend with my 510 connected to the KICKR, my 920 connected to the Pioneer, and the iOS app connected as normal & see what I get.
Fwiw, when doing the test if you setup one dedicated data page on both for 3s/10s/30s power, it’s the easiest ‘at a glance’ way to check power accuracy.
Fwiw, when doing the test if you setup one dedicated data page on both for 3s/10s/30s power, it’s the easiest ‘at a glance’ way to check power accuracy.
Good tip. I’ll let you know what the results look like.
Just out of curiosity, why do you care about speed on the trainer??
All I care about is time spent at a given power.
I think it’s silly as well. But some people like to log “miles”, and in order to do that, you need “distance”, and in order to do that, you need “speed”.
Just out of curiosity, why do you care about speed on the trainer??
All I care about is time spent at a given power.
I think it’s silly as well. But some people like to log “miles”, and in order to do that, you need “distance”, and in order to do that, you need “speed”.
^^ This
My workouts will still be structured by power, cadence, or whatever my coach designates, but I like to know the distance I have been putting in on these workouts. Call it a morbid curiosity when I get off the trainer sweating buckets after an hour, I’m curious if I just went 15 miles or 25 miles.
And I am in no way fooled to think that trainer miles translate directly to real world miles.
I get it. But you should consider re-calibrating your brain to ignore distance, and just look at TSS. If you’re using power, it’s the metric to track from session to session, week to week, season to season.
I get it. But you should re-calibrate your brain to ignore distance, and just look at TSS. If you’re using power, it’s the metric to track from session to session, week to week, season to season.
Training Peaks does that for me & that is the metric I already use. Like I said, I am not looking to replace TSS or hitting my workout goals with speed or distance. I’m simply a data whore & I see it as more data that is available to me, but I’m not capturing. Call it a mere curiosity rather than an attempt to replace one effective measurement with another relatively inept one.
In other terms, when in the carpool line this morning, the song I’m Gonna Be (500 Miles) was on the radio. My 9 year old daughter asked me “Dad, have you ever walked 1,000 miles in a day?” after they said that in the song. I told her that I have done that in a year, but not in a day. She then asked me how many miles I have ridden my bike in a year. To tell her “Well, I have ridden my bike for XX hours in a year.” would fall flat as she doesn’t comprehend that 1 hour can equal 15-25 miles (and what 9 year old wants to do unnecessary math unless it’s assigned to them?). Same goes for anyone who is not a cyclist or triathlete. If I told my non active fat friend that I rode my bike for however many hours in 2015, they would likely say “You could have been doing something else with all that time.” But if I told my daughter or my friend that last year I rode X thousand miles on my bike, they would immediately get that because they can equate distance with an accomplishment (e.g. 500 miles is the distance from Atlanta to New Orleans, and I rode that 10 times last year).
I get it. Some people find data to be distracting. Some people find data to be stupid. But others think data is beautiful & it can provide an easy way to communicate to others what you have accomplished. Why not collect it if you have it available?