in a 25m pool compared to somebody of equal swimming skill with a decent flip turn?
Like 10 seconds per 100m?
Few seconds at most.
depends how good you are at an open turn… I’m guessing I personally loose maybe half a second on an open turn. Maybe even less. I prefer flips though as they are faster and keep your set flowing better.
~0.5 sec per turn
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2 seconds seems reasonable.
I was thinking about 2 seconds too. Especially if the open turns are a bit lazy.
I was a bit curious.
I think it’s time to learn flip turns…
Zero, if you know how to do them correctly. I do open turns pretty much exclusively because I have asthma & flip turns take too much effort & oxygen for me. I can match pretty much anybody except for the elite swimmers on the turns, and I get as much if not more streamline off the wall compared to my flip turns. Granted, I’m not smashing world records with my swims either (I’m 1:15/100SCM), but if you’re losing 2 secs per open turn, you’re just doing it wrong.
GoSwim Open Turn Sequence Step #1
Hope this helps!
Brian
I’ve never worried about it as there are no turns in OW
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I generally say about 1.5-2 seconds, it’s usually about 2 full body lengths. But, that’s because most I know that do open turns, do not have very good streamlines.
I don’t see how getting 1 extra breath will make or break you… especially the 1/2 breath you might get on a fast open turn.
The streamline off a flip turn should be no different than that from a push-off if you’re doing it correctly.
I like flip turns because I get just a little extra ab workout. I use a 1/2 dolphin kick to initiate the turn.
I’ve never worried about it as there are no turns in OW
That’s exactly what I was thinking.
I’ve never worried about it as there are no turns in OW
That’s exactly what I was thinking.
Yes, but one does lose momentum when training in the pool with a lax open turn. That means expending more energy to get back up to speed.
Zero, if you know how to do them correctly. I do open turns pretty much exclusively because I have asthma & flip turns take too much effort & oxygen for me. I can match pretty much anybody except for the elite swimmers on the turns, and I get as much if not more streamline off the wall compared to my flip turns. Granted, I’m not smashing world records with my swims either (I’m 1:15/100SCM), but if you’re losing 2 secs per open turn, you’re just doing it wrong.
GoSwim Open Turn Sequence Step #1
Hope this helps!
Brian
x2 I do them for the same reason. I have never swam against anyone in my local pool (big fish, small pond type thing) whose flip turns I couldn’t beat with my open turns. And then I crack up watching other people, presumably triathletes, rock those painfully awkward flip turns and lose a bunch of time on the wall. But hey, they’re doing it, right?
Definately go to the GoSwim youtube video link. I tried to help my kids work on their open turns last swim season and they work great if you practice them. I took a chunk of time off my pool swims after helping them–which unfortunately, did not translate into open water speed.
Chad
Why do you care?
I used to do open turns at one end of my 50m pool in Cairns because I wanted to see if any little fuckers were trying to steal my bike or get into my bag…I’m serious!!
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Not necessarily…
Flip turn or not, you’re still completely stopping for a short period of time and pushing off of a wall from standstill
Maybe you lose ‘rhythm,’ but that you can attain by being consistent with your open turns as well
Why do you care?
if you actually read the thread you would know this
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Someone gave you the right answer already, it is.5 seconds per turn. It is not 2, or 1.5 or any other number, it is 1/2 second. You stipulated that the swimmers were of like ability, so it doesnt matter how long the turn actually takes, it is just a .5 difference. In an open turn you just have to swim farther, so it has to be slower. You can go back to the time when backstroke was an open turn, then they changed it to a flip turn, and low and behold all the times got .5 sec faster per lap.
Someone gave you the right answer already, it is.5 seconds per turn.
Physically it seems to be about half a body length. I’ve payed attention to the difference over the years when new swimmers join our team and don’t flip, and you come off the wall side-by-side. It always seemed to me that half a body length was lost by the open turner.
True there are not turns in OW, but there are stressful conditions. Doing flip turns simulates those stressful situations and will generally make you more comfortable, confident and ready to confront them - I think Dan E has written about this in one of his triathlon editorials. Also, it is a form based athletic skill, like swimming, and correct turn form share some of the same body positioning / balance skills that are needed to swim well. So, if you endeavor to become a good swimmer, and you are physically able to execute a flip turn, it is one of the few no-cost ways to help you get faster.