As the subject states, I have about 150 miles on the the Vaporfly 1 (the pink ones) and I just don’t feel the magic I felt when they were new. This is either because I am used to them and the “magic” was only perceived as the initial shock. (and it was a shock, I couldn’t believe how fast and great my legs felt). But now I just don’t feel that springy bounce they used to have. How are you guys doing with the Vaporfly after about 150 miles? Still great or is it time for a new pair? How many miles do you put on the Vaporfly’s before getting a new one. Btw, I only use them on races, running or tri’s. Thanks for any and all responses.
I believe they are supposed to last about 75-100 miles. The carbon plate wears out after about 100 miles. The foam is good till about 200-300 depending on your weight.
At 100 miles I move them to threshold/speed day shoes.
I believe they are supposed to last about 75-100 miles. The carbon plate wears out after about 100 miles. The foam is good till about 200-300 depending on your weight.
At 100 miles I move them to threshold/speed day shoes.
Interesting, at 100 miles its $2.5 per mile:) I wonder how others will respond.
I believe they are supposed to last about 75-100 miles. The carbon plate wears out after about 100 miles. The foam is good till about 200-300 depending on your weight.
At 100 miles I move them to threshold/speed day shoes.
Do you genuinely believe a carbon plate wears out after 100 miles?
Your bike? Wheels? Bike shoes? Any of millions of other things?
Mine have about 200 and are still super springy. Can’t tell a difference between new and now. I rotate through 4-5 different brands and models and it’s always like stepping in a bouncy house with the vaporflys. I’m about 170 lbs, for reference.
I use my Vaporflys until they fall apart, which is usually after I shred the sole in some trail running.
But I have one pair that I used for 1500km+ and dont notice any loss of performance compared to my brand new pair. I am not saying that there is not loss, but I neither feel anything or notice difference in speed/hr on my intervals. I weight about 69kg and have a very neutral gate so I have very little wear on my shoes generally.
I have a few hundred miles on my original vaporflies. They’re maybe a little less springy, although still plenty fast. The foam will compress with time, this happens with all running shoes.
That’s what I recall hearing and reading-wear your race shoes as long as you want.
As for my thoughts on the plate, it’s piece of carbon that’s designed to flex and snap back. That process (50x per minute) is a lot of force. It wouldn’t surprise me if it looses its cor over time. At what point that becomes material in the real world I don’t know. I’d love to cut a pair open and test the plate every 50 miles to know the answer.
As for the $ per mile, again wear what you want as long as you want. Personally, 75 race miles in a year is more than I do. So a fresh pair a year isn’t crazy to me.
I’ve got a pair in the car I use for transition runs that has over 400 miles on them. They are scruffy and close to the end but I keep putting them on.
As for my thoughts on the plate, it’s piece of carbon that’s designed to flex and snap back. That process (50x per minute) is a lot of force. It wouldn’t surprise me if it looses its cor over time. At what point that becomes material in the real world I don’t know.
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It’s moving millimeters. There’s not a lot of flex and snap, nor is it a lot of force. There are/have been bike frames made in which the rear triangle is designed to flex and move vertically more than that.
Plus I think it’s pretty safe to say that if the wings of airplanes can be made of carbon fiber and not snap after moving feet at a time millions of times, a few millimeters of flex in a shoe isn’t such a big deal.
I’ve got 389 miles on my pink Next %. The foam in the heel section is really chewed up but they still have some pop. I use them for interval repeats now. I recently got a pair of Next % 2. They feel a touch more springy.
As the subject states, I have about 150 miles on the the Vaporfly 1 (the pink ones) and I just don’t feel the magic I felt when they were new. This is either because I am used to them and the “magic” was only perceived as the initial shock. (and it was a shock, I couldn’t believe how fast and great my legs felt). But now I just don’t feel that springy bounce they used to have. How are you guys doing with the Vaporfly after about 150 miles? Still great or is it time for a new pair? How many miles do you put on the Vaporfly’s before getting a new one. Btw, I only use them on races, running or tri’s. Thanks for any and all responses.
I am 170 lbs and I race on my Vaporflys until they get to about 150 miles as well. After that they go into the tempo/track run rotation.
The foam is where the magic comes from. and it seems to last about 150 miles or so. The carbon plate will probably last thousands of miles, it’s not a problem. I think that someone did a test when they cutaway 2/3rds of the plate and the shoes were still fully functional.
Depends a lot on how you run / stress the shoe.
I have a pair of next % from sept 2019 still work . And other Nike plates shoes from 2020 I would guess they have 2,000+ km in them and people think they are new.
The plate doesn’t wear out . Maybe the foam gets a bit stiffer? Mostly we just like to buy stuff to feel engaged in your hobbies.
What you are feeling is the same as a wetsuit vs pool swim . You are now used to the benefits and can’t feel the difference as it’s a natural feel.
I would suggest test the shoe with a time trail and look at metrics vs a regular runner. Hr, pace, air time, cadence , Dps, etc and see if there is a difference you likely can’t feel it.
Less than 100 miles but you can still get good use out of them in workouts after that.
Depends a lot on how you run / stress the shoe.
I have a pair of next % from sept 2019 still work . And other Nike plates shoes from 2020 I would guess they have 2,000+ km in them and people think they are new.
The plate doesn’t wear out . Maybe the foam gets a bit stiffer? Mostly we just like to buy stuff to feel engaged in your hobbies.
What you are feeling is the same as a wetsuit vs pool swim . You are now used to the benefits and can’t feel the difference as it’s a natural feel.
I would suggest test the shoe with a time trail and look at metrics vs a regular runner. Hr, pace, air time, cadence , Dps, etc and see if there is a difference you likely can’t feel it.
^this.
I have a 4% of the 1st generation, a next % and an alphafly.
I do not think they loose their magic.
The only thing is the soles wear quickly, especially the 4% and a little bit less the next % but still.
I glued a layer of repair sole on them with 2 component epoxy, such that I still use even the old 4% now in 4-digit km-numbers.
Anyone who says the carbon or the foam looses its function: proof it.
I know those shoes work with me on shorter and longer distances. I’m about (don’t laugh) 4% quicker with them than with conventional shoes. And do not notice any difference over time.
To my point of view, you only note the difference looking backward at the times you achieved. “Feeling” speed during running is b*sh imho.
That’s what I recall hearing and reading-wear your race shoes as long as you want.
As for my thoughts on the plate, it’s piece of carbon that’s designed to flex and snap back. That process (50x per minute) is a lot of force. It wouldn’t surprise me if it looses its cor over time. At what point that becomes material in the real world I don’t know. I’d love to cut a pair open and test the plate every 50 miles to know the answer.
As for the $ per mile, again wear what you want as long as you want. Personally, 75 race miles in a year is more than I do. So a fresh pair a year isn’t crazy to me.
Given paralympians can make their carbon prosthetic limbs last at least a full Paralympic 4 year cycle and beyond, I doubt the composite spring is the issue. More likely that the supporting foam and polymer breaks down.
There is a Instagram user called labratrundown (I believe a university in Texas) who tests a lot of different shoes. One post is about AF with 400k Vs a new pair and they found hardly any difference in run efficiency.
Oh yeah, the labratrundown guy is called Dustin Joubert and he went on TTS twice recently, the first of the two episodes being more extensive:
As the subject states, I have about 150 miles on the the Vaporfly 1 (the pink ones) and I just don’t feel the magic I felt when they were new. This is either because I am used to them and the “magic” was only perceived as the initial shock. (and it was a shock, I couldn’t believe how fast and great my legs felt). But now I just don’t feel that springy bounce they used to have. How are you guys doing with the Vaporfly after about 150 miles? Still great or is it time for a new pair? How many miles do you put on the Vaporfly’s before getting a new one. Btw, I only use them on races, running or tri’s. Thanks for any and all responses.
I am 170 lbs and I race on my Vaporflys until they get to about 150 miles as well. After that they go into the tempo/track run rotation.
The foam is where the magic comes from. and it seems to last about 150 miles or so. The carbon plate will probably last thousands of miles, it’s not a problem. I think that someone did a test when they cutaway 2/3rds of the plate and the shoes were still fully functional.
So I decided to buy a new pair, (the vaporfly 2 are on sale at Nike for $150) and will use my current vaporfly for brick workouts and such, as others have suggested. It does look to me like my race pace was faster when the shoe was newer so its more then just perception. Although, of course it is entirely possible that I didn’t train as well or just slowing down with age :). Thanks for all the feedback.
I believe they are supposed to last about 75-100 miles. The carbon plate wears out after about 100 miles. The foam is good till about 200-300 depending on your weight.
At 100 miles I move them to threshold/speed day shoes.
The plate doesn’t wear out. The foam does. The plate is there to provide a lightweight solid base for the foam to work. Without the plate for support the foam would never work.