tracking metrics and find the whole ATL, CTL, and TSB super cool to track…
just curious as too how many positive days you see before a race and how positive is your TSB before you tend to have a good race?
for me, TTing, zero and -12 seems to work just fine 
YMMV
edit: point is, it will be so individual, that any response you get will we fairly worhtless
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i can understand that…just curious…i know i will have to see how i race and compare the race/distance to the TSB…
for Ironman best, I was positive 16 days before (from a low of -53 a month before the race). However I was sick for a week 3 weeks out so usually would have been 10 days or so.
for half ironman best I was actually only positive 1 day before (was -48 a week before, and was +7 by race day)
I’ll do some analysis of other races to see if there is a different trend. Sometimes you need to add some common sense to the numbers. For example this year I did Oceanside 70.3 with TSB of +50 but it was 2 weeks after an IM, and I faded a bit on the run because my legs weren’t 100% back yet). My bike power was strong (but not as good as I would expect from a “normal” +50 TSB)
I just need to be positive on the day. (bike racing, not triathlon)
you were +50 2 weeks after an IM? what were you 10 days after the IM? i would think your ACL would still be pretty high? ACL measures basically in that 2 week window right?
I like to cross zero ~5 days before an “A” race
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you were +50 2 weeks after an IM? what were you 10 days after the IM? i would think your ACL would still be pretty high? ACL measures basically in that 2 week window right?
10 days after I was +43
I was +47 on the day before IM, so was starting from a high point. Race day was about 680 TSS, then 2 weeks recovery. By 3/30 was back up to 52.
My ATL is 7 days, CTL 42 days
tracking metrics and find the whole ATL, CTL, and TSB super cool to track…
just curious as too how many positive days you see before a race and how positive is your TSB before you tend to have a good race?
For single day bike races I tend to race my best on slightly negative but rising or recently rising TSB. IOW, I do best when I haven’t rested too much before the race but have been working a bit below my longer term CTL (hence the rising TSB) or I did that a few days earlier and my last few openers rides before race day are driving TSB back down a bit but not rapidly so. I do not have my best races when TSB is much about zero and definitely not above +10 or so. For stage races I sometimes come in with a bit more positive TSB but the opening stage is often not my strongest.
YMMV,
-Dave
It’s less about the number and more about the trend.
depends on the individual but from what I can recall from multiple discussions is the shorter the event the more positive one would want to be. this correlates well when reflecting on how long a swim taper is for an event lasting less than 2 minutes in length. I’ve had folks in the negative for IM (but trending to +) that have had good races. I also have some data points showing less than ideal races from overly positive TSBs for IM. They had ok races but did not feel that everything was clicking as it should. If you are racing a sprint you’ll want to be rested and ready to throw down hard efforts. Being super fresh (+ TSB) allows for this. For an IM you needn’t necessarily be ready to rip the cranks off the bike, rather just so long as you can just keep that diesel engine turning over you’ll be golden.
Moving away from the WKO discussion. You should have a look at Race Day. With frequent testing evaluations in each of the three sports you can figure out the effect curve for your own physiology (in each of the three) and ascertain a taper that is specifically molded to you.