Olympic distance. Is tri bike always faster, plus it allegedly saves your legs for the run, or is there a degree of hilliness at which you’re better off on a road bike?
GTN did an experiment.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4qXS740nEM
SPOILER ALERT - The triathlon bike won.
There does exist a hilliness that makes a lighter road bike more favorable.
It doesn’t exist in triathlons though.
The tri bike will always be faster on any course where a triathlon is being contested.
There are some tris out there where it probably makes sense to use the road bike with clip ons. Cam Wurf did it at Andorra and had the fastest bike split there. Much easier to handle descents on switchbacks with a road bike, and the lighter weight will help on very steep areas. Most triathletes don’t handle well so they’ll benefit from using the road bike on a course like Andorra. But for the most part the tri bike will be faster. If for every 10 miles there’s more than 1000 ft. of elevation gain I think it’s worth considering.
Do you have electronic shifting on your tri bike? Then I’d definitely use that. If not, I’d still use the tri bike unless the course has a lot of sharp turns that require hard braking into them.
Great points. I was unaware that there were tri’s that exceeded that 1000ft/10mi threshold. Good to know. And really good point about triathletes and tentativeness on descents. Hadn’t considered that at all.
Do you know off-hand if there are a lot of tri’s out there exceeding 1000ft/10mi or is it limited to a known very few?
In the US there’s Savageman https://kineticmultisports.com/races/savageman/ I’ve never done it, but I think it might be an interesting one to try.
In Europe there’s Alpe d’Huez https://www.alpetriathlon.com/?lang=en which is on my bucket list of races to do, I believe there’s at least a few more in Europe that would meet that criteria.
Hard to find too many places or people that would want to do that, but certainly possible in the mountain states.
In the US there’s Savageman https://kineticmultisports.com/races/savageman/ I’ve never done it, but I think it might be an interesting one to try.
In Europe there’s Alpe d’Huez https://www.alpetriathlon.com/?lang=en which is on my bucket list of races to do, I believe there’s at least a few more in Europe that would meet that criteria.
Hard to find too many places or people that would want to do that, but certainly possible in the mountain states.
Straight up and down a mountain?
Tri-bike, hands down.
European Mountains (switchbacks, twisty)?
I am in the camp of Nicola Spirit and Gustav Iden.
Much more comfortable, stable and likely equally quick on a road set-up.
No major pucker factor going into a steep downhill switchback or constantly in and out of aero.
After all, I am doing this for enjoyment and am not getting payed to ride a certain bike.
Those are some cool races. I should correct my original statement.
For age groupers, courses like those are probably an exception to the rule, and a TT bike might not be faster.
At the elite level, I suspect a TT bike down in the 15-pound range would be faster up to maybe 1200ft/10mi… and depending on treacherousness of descents. No data to back this up.
I checked out the course at Andorra 70.3 but can’t find total elevation gain. Do you know it?
Here’s the course:
https://www.mapmyride.com/routes/view/256164451
No electronic shifters or brakes.
I am a a nervous descender.
Thanks for the advice and insight!
Here’s the course:
https://www.mapmyride.com/routes/view/256164451
No electronic shifters or brakes.
I am a a nervous descender.
Thanks for the advice and insight!
Looks fairly benign and straight. Tri bike.
Looking at the strava data here it’s at least 6200. https://www.strava.com/activities/5575083083 But the GPS seemed to cut out at one point for a few miles so hard to know for sure how much it really was.
Flo cycling has a podcast that’s discussed this topic a few times, they’re definitely worth listening to.
In Europe there’s Alpe d’Huez https://www.alpetriathlon.com/?lang=en which is on my bucket list of races to do, I believe there’s at least a few more in Europe that would meet that criteria.
Add the Triathlon Du Mont Blanc International Mont-Blanc Triathlon - 21 & 22 August 2021 (montblanc-triathlon.fr) to that list, 1900m elev / 70k
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I had to use my road bike in a tri a couple years ago, as the shifters on the tri bike broke the week of the race. I ended up with the fastest bike split of the race on my road bike. Around 4500 ft climbing in a 70.3. I’ve also done the same race with my tri bike and been 4-5’ faster.
This is how I approached the same problem recently. I set up this bike for use at the White Mountains olympic triathlon in New Hampshire.
This course is a bit unique in that it starts with a massive (40 mph+) descent, and has a significant hillclimb (~4 miles) up about 1,000 ft to the finish with a timed KOM segment along it.
While I have a dedicated tri bike (P3), I decided to do something a little different for this race and did some modifications to my trusty old mid-2000s Roubaix that normally serves on trainer duty. This allowed me to stay more comfortable on the steep descent (Drops are a LOT better for this than bullhorns) and in theory helped me climb a bit faster on the hilly KOM portion.
I’ve never chosen my road bike of a tri bike for a race, but the one thing that might make me consider it would be really bad roads. The course at the Salt Fork TTT was constant up and down with some terrible roads. I was in and out of the aerobars constantly.
If the race had happened in 2020, I was considering a road bike. I’ve heard some of it has been repaved since then.
Very personal choice depending on your downhill abilities on each bike, the course profile, the difference in weight between your 2 bikes. My road bike is a climbers bike, 3kg lighter than my TT bike.
If there’s a long and hard climb (like Hors catégorie in le Tour) followed by a descent, I go for my road bike
Tri races I did on my road bike (without clip-on aerobars) and was happy with my choice
- Nice 70.3 WC (1500m positive elevation over 90km)
- Alspman (4500m of elevation over 180km - no one rides a TT bike)
- Embrunman (4500m of elevation over 180km)
- I raced Andorra 70.3 last weekend (2000m positive elevation over 90km) and 90%+ of Age groupers were on road bikes, probably 50% of the pros. The male winner rode a TT bike.
Here are my strava files for the 70.3 Andorra race last weekend.
The course goes into a long flat tunnel for ~15km in total, hence the weird data, but I think total elevation on the bike was 2000m+. 2 serious climbs and 3 twisty descents.
https://www.strava.com/activities/5577404064
https://www.strava.com/activities/5577404007
and my race report, for what it’s worth: https://mymsracesironman.home.blog/2021/07/05/race-report-andorra-70-3-ironman-july-2021/
Here’s the course:
https://www.mapmyride.com/routes/view/256164451
No electronic shifters or brakes.
I am a a nervous descender.
Thanks for the advice and insight!
There is another option. It kind of gives you the best of both worlds … and it is excellent for descending:
Kienle’s favourite race, the Heidelbergman Triathlon in Germany (short distance) has 830 m (2700 ft) of climbing on the 35 km (21 mi) bike course. Kienle and Lange are record winners (three wins each). Almost everyone races a normal road bike, most even without clip-ons. I’m not sure yet whether to put clip-ons on this year or not. The main argument against is not the weight, but better control on the steep and technical descents.
Here’s the course:
https://www.mapmyride.com/routes/view/256164451
No electronic shifters or brakes.
I am a a nervous descender.
Thanks for the advice and insight!
I hope there are brakes.
Jest aside, a few things for you to consider.
This is in the Virginia Piedmonts. I’ve never ridden in Culperpper per se, but I’ve ridden a lot in the nearby areas (Shenandoah and Maryland rolling hill country). Purely in terms of total ascent over distance, I wouldn’t say a tri bike is disadvantaged. Someone upthread mentioned the 2% number (for total ascent/ distance), and this course isn’t there. But chances are, you also aren’t losing much on a standard road bike (assuming good aerodynamic position), and even less if you use bars like the 3T Zefiro or have a good clip-on position (again, assuming a good position that mimics your tri bike position).
You also mentioned confidence issue, and this presumably will be there whether you are on your road bike or tri bike (though presumably a more significant issue when it comes to the tri bike). What will often help is knowledge of the course. If you are at all nearby, pre-ride the course on the bike of your choice (assuming you consider the roads safe enough to ride). Alternatively, you can simply drive the course and make mental notes of blind curves, off-camber turns, and such. This way, the more technical stuff won’t catch you by surprise.