Jonas Colting, arguably one of the best endurance athletes ever, works on a train low, compete high basis (http://www.marksdailyapple.com/jonas-colting/)
Any thoughts appreciated.
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I think you have an ill-constructed argument, starting right off the bat with a logical fallacy of “authority”.
I had no idea who Jonas Colting was. Since he’s arguable one of the best endurance athletes ever, I figured I should look him up. The main picture of him on his own website shows him wearing those stupid Vibram Five-Finger shoes, so I just assume that he’s an idiot. That Atkins guy already died of liver failure…I hope the best endurance athlete ever figures some things out before he hurts himself.
That Atkins guy already died of liver failure…
Not an Atkins follower at all, but the dude died after spending 2 weeks in intensive care when he fell and cracked his head open. Not liver failure and nothing to do with his diet. He was also not an endurance athlete so not really useful in this discussion anyway.
there is no debate, yet.
Google how to form an argument and you’ll see where you went wrong. You should have written “Jonas Colting eats ‘x’” and not “jonas colting, one of the best endurance athletes ever”.
so, what are you selling?
more constructive advice from a know it all
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I had no idea who Jonas Colting was. Since he’s arguable one of the best endurance athletes ever, I figured I should look him up.
2 x Ultraman world champion … have you heard of that event?
anecdotal-since doing 50 and 100 milers, running tons of mileage, not losing weight -needed to…dropped the ‘carb loading’ and taking tons of carbs before training…overall diet MUCH higher in fat (mostly good fat but some bacon and cheese here and there)…more protein, much less carbs thad youd think an endurance runner would eat on a daily basis–finally dropped weight more energy and did better in races—but races, more carb heavy of course
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dude, c’mon. she registered today, and her post reeks of a troll. Healthy skepticism.
Also, constructing arguments using logical fallacies is just ignorant.
diet high in saturated fats and processed food
active triathletes need not fear carbohydrates, but the sedentary masses should
saturated fat has an unfair stigma attached to it, but it is the polyunsaturated vegetable oils that are way worse
And for the triathlete seeking peak perfomance and the general population striving for better health, whole food will always be better than processed food
in general inactive people should seek nutrient dense foods, not energy-dense, nutrient-poor
regarding the ability to go low on carb and perform as an endurance athlete, look up some of the work by Joe Friel, Gordo, Jonas Colting, Bob Sebohar, Ben Greenfield.
You’ll probably never know if it’ll work for you unless you try it
Eric - Clearly Anna is selling nothing! She is asking for real life feedback/information from endurance athletes as to whether or not there is a school of thought amongst that group that following such a diet is a good idea, if you were half as sharp as you obviously think you are you would have realised that no argument was being made in the orignal or subsequent posts!! I hope your misdirected contribution doesn’t de-rail the whole thread which could be an interesting one … The high fat diet for endurance athletes was heavily supported by scientific research in the late 90s and early 00s but has recently been discredited, still there are athletes and good ones to boot that like the high healthy fat approach.
Anna - I am a “train low compete high advocate” but have always sought to maintain a low fat diet and low carb diet during the bulk of my training. I prefer this because I find too much fat and too much carb makes me feel slow and bloated, I haven’t ever felt the need to change my diet but figure I could definitely benefit from making changes somewhere!! For context, I am not a particularly good athlete (certainly no Jonas Colting!) - my best half IM time is 4:23 - hope this helps.
Eric - Clearly Anna is selling nothing! She is asking for real life feedback/information from endurance athletes as to whether or not there is a school of thought amongst that group that following such a diet is a good idea, if you were half as sharp as you obviously think you are you would have realised that no argument was being made in the orignal or subsequent posts!! I hope your misdirected contribution doesn’t de-rail the whole thread which could be an interesting one … The high fat diet for endurance athletes was heavily supported by scientific research in the late 90s and early 00s but has recently been discredited, still there are athletes and good ones to boot that like the high healthy fat approach.
You’re right, she’s not selling, she’s buying. She’s looking for validation. It’s yet another “please validate the approach I have already chosen anyway by giving me a scattering of anecdotes” approach that pervades internet message boards. In fact, Eric did make a constructive contribution to the thread and a valid one. But since he made the mistake of actually bringing up logic (gasp!) and contradicting the predetermined conclusion, his post deemed “unhelpful”
The “any thoughts appreciated” that closed the first post should have read as “any thoughts that agree with me appreciated.”. Sophistry
ericM35-39 I signed up just to say you are a tool, but I think you already knew that…
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Im a diabetic and live on a low carb diet. 95% of the carbs I eat are just before or during a workout. Other than that i eat a salad at lunch and some sunflower and flax seeds before bed. I eat a high protein but wouldnt say high fat diet. Im 47 and my cholesterol has never been above 140, triglycerides in the 20’s… Im mop at best…but I dont think carbs have anything at all to do with that.
a constructive contribution to the debate - it is not an argument - would have been to start out with “I do not think this is the right approach, for me x y or z works”. Or perhaps he could have provided some scientific reasoning (btw the only “logic” in eric’s post was in the word “logical” - there wasn’t any actual logic!!) about the perhaps the difficulty the body has in accessing fat stores for fuel without adequate sources of carb. Hostility gets people nowhere … why are people so afraid to help out and be friendly? I thought the point of forums such as this was to share information, provide advice, not to be adversarial … here we go highjacking someone’s thread to no end …
Charlesn/Anna - my approach to diet is 95% of the time “nutrient rich”, I do a bit of carb loading for a couple of days before an event, carbs for the rest of the time are derived from mostly from root veg, raw, boiled or roasted. I find it difficult to get my head around a high fat approach but that might be years of conditioning at school and from the newspapers.
OK, I’m sorry! I’ve re-read the threads and I was wrong.
Mea culpa.
well, now that you’re here… why not introduce yourself?
why is pointing out a logical fallacy that is the basis for a discussion not constructive? the OP has admitted she posted with the intent to start controversy, and not to “share or inform” as you say. To start your first post on THIS forum like THAT is a bad start.
I think Joe is right… it’s a foregone conclusion for you and the OP. I haven’t even begun to present opposing points to your argument, or even indicated one way or another where I stand on the issue, yet you are lambasting me.
But that’s beside the point.
come on Eric - you had nearly salvaged that “reputation” with the magnanimous “mea culpa”. Again had you read what was written instead of concentrating on yourself you would see that;
1 I have argued nothing, merely shared how I approach nutrition for the most part - pretty basic but then I am a pretty basic guy!
2 this approach is in fact at variance with the controversial hypothesis stated at the beginning by the OP and therefore possibly likely to be more agreeable to your way of thinking
3 crucially … there is no forgone conclusion!!!
Merely to state something is a “logical fallacy” without using logic to exlpain why, or providing an alternative version is hardly informative. How do you approach nutrition? are you fop/mop/bop athlete? what distance do you race? why do you approach your nutrition in the way you do?
Regardless of the style of the original post there is plenty of room for us to share and benefit from a constructive discussion about how people approach their nutrition and why they choose to do it in certain ways.
why is pointing out a logical fallacy that is the basis for a discussion not constructive? the OP has admitted she posted with the intent to start controversy, and not to “share or inform” as you say. To start your first post on THIS forum like THAT is a bad start.
I think Joe is right… it’s a foregone conclusion for you and the OP. I haven’t even begun to present opposing points to your argument, or even indicated one way or another where I stand on the issue, yet you are lambasting me.
But that’s beside the point.
And its a bad start because why? Since when do you get to deem an OPs first post a bad start? I guess you’re right. She should apologize for constructing her argument in a way you consider as being incorrect. Especially when considering it was simply her opinion.
You jumped to conclusions and now have found yourself backpedaling. Way to go!
An excerpt from recent Inside Triathlon interview with Simon Whitfield, who like Jonas Colting, follows marksdailyapple style of nutrition. Probably have heard of this guy…
On nutrition
Whitfield: I subsist on a ton of quality bacon and quality fats. You
wouldn’t believe how much omega oil fish oil and Udo’s flax oil and
NutraSea omega oil—you wouldn’t believe how much coconut oil—we
use at home and how much bacon I eat. You wouldn’t believe how much
avocado my kids eat and I eat. So it’s a high-fat, high-protein, limited
carbohydrate diet—a quality carbohydrate diet.
http://www.specialized.com/OA_MEDIA/pdf/SimonWhitfield.pdf
Also, from a triathlon.org interview
**Simon Whitfield:**I follow a pretty predictable diet. same breakfast most mornings (Ruths Hemp/Chia seed cereal) with a piece of toast and Almond butter and coffee. Eggs, bacon and toast after workout (I take Vitargo to the pool and have it immediately after workout). Protein powder, Ascenta Nutrasea oil and yogurt as a snack. dinner is limited carbs, as much veggies as possible, steak/fish/chicken etc. and usually a night time snack. repeat the next day…
http://www.triathlon.org/news/article/qa_with_simon_whitfield/