High Hamstring Tendinopathy (1)

I know there are already threads on HHT and I have read through them, but wanted to post my own experience in an effort to recover from this.
I am 63 years old and during my lifetime I have been a runner, cyclist and swimmer. During the past 10 years I have mostly been cycling, as I found it too difficult to continue with running and also was able to enjoy cycling with my wife riding on our tandem bike. In December 2017 I was riding with a friend on a very hilly ride which is something I enjoyed, did often and was good it.
I was riding up a steep hill and felt some discomfort in my right hip. At the time it didn’t seem like a big deal but afterwards I was in a lot pain and found it difficult to ride for a few weeks.
Then it seemed to get better and resumed my normal riding, but one area on the side of my leg below my hip continued to hurt. During 2018 I saw 4 different orthopedic doctors which was not very productive because it was not an injury conducive to surgery. I went to PT for many months which also did not help and seemed to aggravate it. Towards the end of 2018 I received a steroid injection on the advice of one orthopedic doctor. It had no effect at all. I had read / heard about PRP injections and it so happened that there was a doctor nearby who specialized in this. I saw her and she did an ultrasound examination and diagnosed me with tendinopathy of the Gluteal tendons and told me that steroid injections are of no use. In March 2019 I got the PRP injections and was told that the pain would be worse from anywhere between a few days to 2 weeks. Well the pain was worse and lasted for 2 months. I resumed PT but this time with a different place that used a different approach. My doctor told me that I should start to see some improvement starting at 6 weeks and that full healing could take a year. I did not really start to feel a reduction in pain until about 3 months. I stopped going to PT because I started having other health problems that included various pain in both legs and my right heel which seemed unrelated to the tendinopathy and my doctor said it could be my brain spreading the pain to other places. I also had stomach problems that led to my weight dropping from 140 lbs to 126 lbs. By November 2019 the pain was significantly less, I could sleep on that side of my body which was something I was not able to do for over a year. I decided to start riding my bike and started out riding for 20 minutes. It went better than expected but I was seriously de-conditioned from not exercising for such a long time and the weight loss had devastated my muscles. I slowly and very gradually increased my riding time up to 2 hours with some very moderate hills. This was far below the level I had been at prior to my injury but I was extremely pleased that I felt I was recovering.
However, every time I rode there was a nagging tightness / pain in the area behind my left knee / top of my calf. I didn’t worry too much about it because it wasn’t bothering me that much and would usually go away at some point during the ride. But as I added more hills and started riding with my wife on our tandem, the pain got worse and eventually went into my left hamstring and buttock. In January 2020 I went back to see the doctor who gave me the PRP injection and after the ultrasound examination she told me that I now had tendinopathy in my left hamstring where it attaches to the sit bones. When I heard this I felt really depressed and wondered how did it happen because the entire previous year I did no exercising at all and when I started riding my bike in November it was very gradual and moderate. She told me it could have been due to my weight loss and de-conditioning. I also saw a sports medicine doctor and he confirmed the diagnosis. So I started PT again and stopped riding my bike. In March I stopped going to PT due to COVID and being in a high risk group, but continued PT on my own at home. I feel that I have made some progress in that the pain is not as bad and things that made it hurt before are less likely to do so.
I started riding on a recumbent exercise bike at the advice of my sports medicine doctor. I seemed to tolerate it ok and the pressure from the seat is more behind my sit bones, but it does cause some knee pain which I think is from the position. I worked up to 50 minutes using very light resistance and fairly high cadence. I tried riding my road bike on a trainer and put my wife’s saddle on it because it is very soft but found that it would aggravate the pain because I was sitting right on the area that is injured. Also I have been walking for one hour on alternate days. Even though I had made progress I still could not ride my road bike and felt like my pain was stuck at a level of 2. My sports medicine doctor kept telling me that I have to keep doing PT and get stronger before I would get better and that it was ok to have some pain from the exercises. So I stared increasing the exercises in number of repetitions and weight and it did make the pain worse. I decided to schedule a PT video visit with a therapist at the same organization as my doctor. I went over the exercises with him and told him what my doctor said about getting stronger. He basically disagreed with the doctor and told me to scale back the exercising and that I should avoid pain. He also advised that I should start doing some stretching. I strongly objected to this and told him everything I had read said that stretching is bad for tendinopathy to which he replied that is not true if done properly and gently. So I followed his advice and reduced the strength training and started doing some stretching which did seem to help. I still have a lot a variation in pain from day to day and hour to hour and not always sure what accounts for it, sometime it actually feels better after exercise. Since I wanted to get on by bike having stopped in January, I decided to order a custom saddle molded to my rear end (Meld). It was expensive and knew it would be a long shot. It took a month before it was ready and now I have been riding on it for a few weeks. It is very firm and supportive and am still playing with the positioning. I rode for 10 minutes on my first ride and have gradually increased. Yesterday I rode for 30 minutes. There is still pain on my left sit bone because I am still sitting on the injured area but I feel because I am riding on top of and not sinking into the saddle and the shell is quite flexible being made of thin carbon fiber that it might as good as any other option. I have been able to tolerate it and not make the pain worse so far. I was considering getting a PRP injection since it seemed to help with my last injury. But in April of this year I suffered a heart attack and now I am the proud owner of four stents. I have to be on aspirin and blood thinner medication for one year. This disqualifies me from getting a PRP injection. So the soonest I could get it would be next April. I am hopeful that I will continue to improve although it has been painfully slow and non-linear, and that I will be able continue riding my bike. If I can make it to one hour I will probably just keep it there until I feel the healing is further along. I would like to go back to PT in person, but I don’t see that happening until there is a vaccine for COVID that is proven effective. Sorry for writing which seems like a novel, but wanted to include all the details. I don’t know why I keep getting these injuries and it has caused havoc with my life and well being. I think it must be getting old and various medical conditions and genetics. At this point I am wondering if there is anything more or different I can be doing to hasten my recovery. I welcome any suggestions and advice.

Thanks for reading - Joel

You’ve probably already read my experiences somewhere in the other threads, but just in case…

I dealt with HHT for 2 years, and what I found:

After wasting time/money on ultrasound, shockwave, dry needling, etc etc, the ONLY thing that finally helped was strengthening the areas around the HHT. So glute exercises (squats/dead lifts, glute kick backs, clam shells, etc) and calf raises. When the HHT pain eased, then super super light hamstring curls. And once you are in the gym doing that, take the time to strengthen your core too, abs, lower back, etc…strengthening the whole ‘chain’ helps.

From my own research, the only thing PRP injections are good for is draining your wallet. Seems that has been your experience thus far.

And yeah, I was told that stretching was a big no no for this issue. Go for massage therapy instead.

As always, YMMV.

I had this issue rear its ugly head a few weeks after IMCA last July. It was already starting before the race that but the symptoms were mild and never really hurt enough during and after training to be too concerned. And I always have some minor ache pain going on during training. (mostly niggles, I’m middle-aged). With the help of my awesome coach she managed to get me to the starting line for the Worlds 70.3 in Nice France early September. Thankfully the run was flat and I just had a minor dull aching pain off and on during the run. The heat was more of an issue and I had a mediocre run for my standards. I had done 3 half ironmans and one full IM that season which was a lot for me to ask of my 49 year old body. The race didn’t make it too much worse but I felt it a lot on the flight back home!

I went to a PT who specializes in deep tissue massage from October to November and didn’t run much at all during that time. It didn’t really make much of a difference. It hardly improved. I did do strength exercises given to me by my PT but stopped doing them in December.

In December we found this amazing remote off-the-grid log home in the middle of a forest and we turned our life upside down to sell our old house and purchase our dream home. My HHT eventually started to fade as I focused on getting our house ready to sell. I started to run a few times a week just short easy distances. I would feel it off and on but it slowly got duller. By early March we moved into our new log home and I barely felt it. Sometimes in the beginning of a run I would feel it, but it would loosen up and feel fine. By end of April it was 95% better. This summer it’s been good. I sometimes feel very slight sensations where it used to be doing different core/lower body exercises or even bending over but for the most part I’ve gotten through it.

Overall I’ll say that I believe these things sometimes just take a long time to heal and there’s nothing much you can do. Everyone is different and some people respond better to some therapies. The mind is powerful and I think having my mind focused on our huge undertaking helped me get through the HHT. But I’m not really 100% about that statement. I’m just analyzing my own experience.

I did do a lot of reading about it and some people can train through it. For most it does take a long time to heal. It really depends on how bad it gets before you start to do something about it (therapy/rest).

You’ve probably already read my experiences somewhere in the other threads, but just in case…

I dealt with HHT for 2 years, and what I found:

After wasting time/money on ultrasound, shockwave, dry needling, etc etc, the ONLY thing that finally helped was strengthening the areas around the HHT. So glute exercises (squats/dead lifts, glute kick backs, clam shells, etc) and calf raises. When the HHT pain eased, then super super light hamstring curls. And once you are in the gym doing that, take the time to strengthen your core too, abs, lower back, etc…strengthening the whole ‘chain’ helps.

From my own research, the only thing PRP injections are good for is draining your wallet. Seems that has been your experience thus far.

And yeah, I was told that stretching was a big no no for this issue. Go for massage therapy instead.

As always, YMMV.

Thanks for the feedback.
I have been doing more general core / glute strengthening besides the dedicated hamstring exercises. Some of those I learned from my previous hip injury.
I have to disagree on the PRP though. Even though I did not see results in the first 6 weeks, I was able to start riding after 8 months and felt fully recovered not long after that.
During that time I did very little PT and we know these injuries do not get better by just resting, so I attribute the recovery to PRP which may or may not be the case.
If I can continue to do some riding and see more improvement then I am all for saving the money and not getting PRP which I can’t do until next April in any case.

I had this issue rear its ugly head a few weeks after IMCA last July. It was already starting before the race that but the symptoms were mild and never really hurt enough during and after training to be too concerned. And I always have some minor ache pain going on during training. (mostly niggles, I’m middle-aged). With the help of my awesome coach she managed to get me to the starting line for the Worlds 70.3 in Nice France early September. Thankfully the run was flat and I just had a minor dull aching pain off and on during the run. The heat was more of an issue and I had a mediocre run for my standards. I had done 3 half ironmans and one full IM that season which was a lot for me to ask of my 49 year old body. The race didn’t make it too much worse but I felt it a lot on the flight back home!

I went to a PT who specializes in deep tissue massage from October to November and didn’t run much at all during that time. It didn’t really make much of a difference. It hardly improved. I did do strength exercises given to me by my PT but stopped doing them in December.

In December we found this amazing remote off-the-grid log home in the middle of a forest and we turned our life upside down to sell our old house and purchase our dream home. My HHT eventually started to fade as I focused on getting our house ready to sell. I started to run a few times a week just short easy distances. I would feel it off and on but it slowly got duller. By early March we moved into our new log home and I barely felt it. Sometimes in the beginning of a run I would feel it, but it would loosen up and feel fine. By end of April it was 95% better. This summer it’s been good. I sometimes feel very slight sensations where it used to be doing different core/lower body exercises or even bending over but for the most part I’ve gotten through it.

Overall I’ll say that I believe these things sometimes just take a long time to heal and there’s nothing much you can do. Everyone is different and some people respond better to some therapies. The mind is powerful and I think having my mind focused on our huge undertaking helped me get through the HHT. But I’m not really 100% about that statement. I’m just analyzing my own experience.

I did do a lot of reading about it and some people can train through it. For most it does take a long time to heal. It really depends on how bad it gets before you start to do something about it (therapy/rest).

Thanks for sharing your story.
It sounds like you were able to get through it without a lot of intervention.
I agree the mind plays a large role, I practice meditation most days.
It has been extremely difficult to not be able to ride my bike or do any significant exercise for two years.
It has been a major life change and challenge, but I know I will get through it.
I think my age also means healing is going to take longer and is also why I got injured in the first place.
Going forward I am going to take a more proactive approach to avoiding injury which means managing my activity better and continuing with general strengthening.

It’s a tough injury for sure but you will get better. Forgot to mention a couple things (in no particular order). Firstly my PT had the same injury from too much hard mountain biking and here in Vermont it can be rather tough, hilly and gnarly. It took him over a year to fully recover but he was back to easy mountain biking after a few months. He did say he let it get really bad before he backed off.

When I was training for Nice, I was still doing a lot of bike training and hills irritated it a bit more but flats/trainer seemed to treat it better. Running is what really made it hurt if I did too much. But eventually I got back into that slowly. I think having a plan to slowly get back to biking without too much hill climbing and volume would be the best approach for you.

Yup age is not just a number. Now that I’m 50, things to take a little longer for recovery and healing. Just be kind to yourself and back off a little when things get sore.

It’s a tough injury for sure but you will get better. Forgot to mention a couple things (in no particular order). Firstly my PT had the same injury from too much hard mountain biking and here in Vermont it can be rather tough, hilly and gnarly. It took him over a year to fully recover but he was back to easy mountain biking after a few months. He did say he let it get really bad before he backed off.

When I was training for Nice, I was still doing a lot of bike training and hills irritated it a bit more but flats/trainer seemed to treat it better. Running is what really made it hurt if I did too much. But eventually I got back into that slowly. I think having a plan to slowly get back to biking without too much hill climbing and volume would be the best approach for you.

Yup age is not just a number. Now that I’m 50, things to take a little longer for recovery and healing. Just be kind to yourself and back off a little when things get sore.

Unlike my first injury to my hip, luckily I went to see my doctor before it got too bad. When she did the ultrasound she said it was a small area.
Then I stopped riding completely.
I used to run a lot, started in high school in the 1970’s but stopped about 10 years ago because my body could not handle both running and cycling anymore and I liked cycling just a little bit more and it is something my wife and I can do together.
The thing that worries me the most is that during cycling I am sitting directly on the injured the area, but so far it seems ok and I am hoping the new saddle will also help.

Thanks again - Take Care

Start with real light hamstring curls, then increase weight/resistance slowly. Then start adding in activity slowly, your tendon with adapt to the load again, but it can take a long time, dont give up! Could take 18 months to be 100% again. It will hurt as you add more load, this is typical. Mine still flares up every so often, but I can run/bike as much and hard as I want as long as I build up mileage/speed slowly.

Good luck!!

Start with real light hamstring curls, then increase weight/resistance slowly. Then start adding in activity slowly, your tendon with adapt to the load again, but it can take a long time, dont give up! Could take 18 months to be 100% again. It will hurt as you add more load, this is typical. Mine still flares up every so often, but I can run/bike as much and hard as I want as long as I build up mileage/speed slowly.

Good luck!!

Hi,

I have been doing the following hamstring exercises:

Circuit 1:

Bridge up with heels on a swiss ball, 2 to 3 sets of 10.

Eccentric curl on swiss ball (pushing outwards only). 2 to 3 sets of 10.

Standing hamstring curl with 5 lbs on ankle. 2 to 3 sets of 10.

Circuit 2:

Single leg bridging. 2 to 3 sets of 10.

Standing hamstring curl with 5 lbs on ankle. 2 to 3 sets of 10.

I do one of the above circuits every other day.
On the other days I do a different circuit that is more general strengthening.
When doing these I have no pain, or minor pain that is only for the moment I am doing the exercise.
My pain level, quality and location changes quite a bit from day to day and within a day.
I have not been able to figure out what causes that, but it seems lack of activity or too much activity is a factor.
It’s like Goldilocks.

Thanks

Yeah, can be tough, one other thing I figured out was I needed to give it a day or so per week with no activity, basically a rest day to heal, just like in training.

Sounds like you are doing the right activities. Keep at it!

I dealt with this for about a year. I would call mine fairly mild, but it did effect and hamper my running. I was given various exercises to do, but the main thing that seemed to help was stopping over stridding. It’s really not an issue now.
I also found thus resource to be very helpful, and in line with what my physio was telling me.

https://www.pogophysio.com.au/blog/how-to-rehabilitate-a-tendinopathy-phase-1/

Joel,

I have been dealing with HHT for 16 months. I FINALLY am getting past it.

My number one suggestion is to find an amazing PT who has the knowledge and desire to get you healed. I was fortunate to find someone in my area (ish… 1 hr drive away) and working with him has virtually cured it

What worked (for me). Start with isometrics. Glute bridges, then one legged, then weighted one legged (I did up to 25 lbs).

Then time for eccentric loading… eg slide outs (one way)

Then concentric. Slide outs (return). Then one legged, then one legged with no elbows touching.

Am now moving onto deadlifts with a trap bar.

When the PT works, you will feel a marked improvement in a couple of days (not curee, but improvement).

Good luck. Hope this helps. I know the frustration.

**He basically disagreed with the doctor and told me to scale back the exercising and that I should avoid pain. He also advised that I should start doing some stretching. I strongly objected to this and told him everything I had read said that stretching is bad for tendinopathy to which he replied that is not true if done properly and gently. **

At this point I am wondering if there is anything more or different I can be doing to hasten my recovery. I welcome any suggestions and advice.

Sometimes stretching can be beneficial to the injured area but often times you are stretching something else to relieve tension from the injured area. For instance are your hamstrings excessively tight, it may be because you have an anterior (forward) rotated pelvis. Regardless one thing I haven’t seen mentioned is some soft tissue tools. The general idea is do light damage to the are via scrapping which causes minor injury response and promotes blood flow. It is what is so effective for things like Achilles Tendinitis.

A doctor that does Gua Sha, Graston or Astym might be able to help or you can buy your own tools and learn how to do. Things like a spoon and butter knife work in a pinch. A tool like this is a good shape and is something I have used on my upper hamstrings for years. I’ll generally put my targeted leg up on the bathtub side and dig in there. They have larger tools that offer more leverage, like the following, but the first one linked has been good for me, although I do have a crow-bar style bar as well which I do use too.

I’m a huge believer in Gua Sha in general. My best and most consistent years were when I had a regular Gua Sha practitioner who did a full-body session on me once a week. Wishing you the best with any progress.

You’ve probably already read my experiences somewhere in the other threads, but just in case…

I dealt with HHT for 2 years, and what I found:

After wasting time/money on ultrasound, shockwave, dry needling, etc etc, the ONLY thing that finally helped was strengthening the areas around the HHT. So glute exercises (squats/dead lifts, glute kick backs, clam shells, etc) and calf raises. When the HHT pain eased, then super super light hamstring curls. And once you are in the gym doing that, take the time to strengthen your core too, abs, lower back, etc…strengthening the whole ‘chain’ helps.

From my own research, the only thing PRP injections are good for is draining your wallet. Seems that has been your experience thus far.

And yeah, I was told that stretching was a big no no for this issue. Go for massage therapy instead.

As always, YMMV.

I had PRP, and did feel that it helped me, but I feel like the most important part of my recovery from HHT is what you describe above. Strengthening the glutes (not just the major one but the medius and minimus as well) and hips, are so so very important.

Be wary of PT. I went to a few different ones and their treatment approaches varied considerably. It was not until I got into one that worked on a progressive glute/hip strengthening program that I started to see improvement.

No matter what anyone tells you, do NOT stretch this. Once you are completely healed, stretching is not so bad. While you are in the midst of HHT, it is a no no.

Good luck

I’ve been dealing with this too. I don’t have time to read this thread right now but I’ll come back to it.

You’ve probably already read my experiences somewhere in the other threads, but just in case…

I dealt with HHT for 2 years, and what I found:

After wasting time/money on ultrasound, shockwave, dry needling, etc etc, the ONLY thing that finally helped was strengthening the areas around the HHT. So glute exercises (squats/dead lifts, glute kick backs, clam shells, etc) and calf raises. When the HHT pain eased, then super super light hamstring curls. And once you are in the gym doing that, take the time to strengthen your core too, abs, lower back, etc…strengthening the whole ‘chain’ helps.

From my own research, the only thing PRP injections are good for is draining your wallet. Seems that has been your experience thus far.

And yeah, I was told that stretching was a big no no for this issue. Go for massage therapy instead.

As always, YMMV.

I had PRP, and did feel that it helped me, but I feel like the most important part of my recovery from HHT is what you describe above. Strengthening the glutes (not just the major one but the medius and minimus as well) and hips, are so so very important.

Be wary of PT. I went to a few different ones and their treatment approaches varied considerably. It was not until I got into one that worked on a progressive glute/hip strengthening program that I started to see improvement.

No matter what anyone tells you, do NOT stretch this. Once you are completely healed, stretching is not so bad. While you are in the midst of HHT, it is a no no.

Good luck

Agree, I was told def do not stretch it. I should also add that I did not start doing actual hamstring exercises (ie. curls) until almost all the HHT pain was gone. Up to that point it was all glute/hip/calf strengthening.

Couple other things:

  1. As someone else mentioned, shortened my run stride. I was kicking my leg forward pretty badly.
  2. I realized that I had likely been riding with my saddle too high for many years. My saddle has since been lowered by about 1cm, which I think eases some strain on the hams.

I’m 58 and have been dealing with this off and on for 10 yrs. This spring I had hip/butt pain that was so bad I could not run and cycling had to be kept under 25 miles or pain was too bad.
MRI said severe hip bursitis and hamstring injuries where they insert into bone. I quit doing anything for a month and focused on muscle strengthening the area under guidance of p.t I am just now getting back to running/riding semi normally. I usually train for 70.3 and 25k trail races but due to covid have been keeping it a little more low key which is probably a blessing in disguise.

So- for me-
switched to ISM saddle which changed my riding position to more forward, pressure off soft tissue which took getting used to, but really seemed to help
quit trying to sleep on side-only on back which for me isn’t as easy as it sounds. really seems to help
keep doing strengthening exercises

wishing you patience and luck

one other thing to think of-
I have a desk job. Sitting a lot is a bad thing for this. Same with long car rides. Bad.

I echo the comments by SBRcanuck. I suffered HHT (and still do somewhat), but corrected it with covid quarantine home physical therapy. Bridges, squats, planks, leg curls, a few other exercises. DON’T STRETCH. Also gave up riding for a month. Long car rides still hurt a bit but otherwise am mostly fine. (Also, youth is wasted on the young.)

Like others have said avoid stretching it, or being in positions that put it under stretch for too long.
The key is strengthening.

For those wanting to fix their injury and figure out what works.
Check out…
https://www.fitter.co.nz/…-313-peter-malliaras
(triathlon podcast)
skip to 33 mins

Full disclose - i work with him and am also doing research with him.
He is one of the leading experts in tendons and tendon rehab.

If anyone has any questions im sure i can get him on the forum to respond. Or could email you back.
Let us know.