Herniated Disk and Sciatica - Is there light at the end of the tunnel?

I was diagnosed with a “herniated”/“bulging” disk last summer, but confident that I had the problem at least 8 months to a year before this but just thought it was tight hamstrings and kept training. I have been rehabing ever since working with an PT doing pilates, working with an Exercise Therapist to strengthen my core and getting a treatment called IMS (Intermuscular Stimulation) similar to accupuncture but they stick the needle directly into the tightened muscle, not pleasant…but it has worked.

The good news the rehab I have been doing has been working the bulge has reduced and most of the tightened muscles have been loosened…so I am improving… However, I am still having some challenges with the back…but more problems with Sciatica on my left side. If I do too much resistance training then it will start to flare up the back and then the Sciatica. I can do Core Exercises and Swimming, but no biking or running yet. Core Exercises definitely make the back feel better, so I am doing them almost everyday.

So I am just wondering if anyone has had any experience with this type of injury, what you did to rehab and were you able to race again at IM level, how long did it take to rehab???

Looking for any feedback, comments, inspiration.

Sandra

Hi Sandra,

Sadly I don’t have any advice for you, rather a question. How did they diagnose the herniated disk? MRI? I’ve been having a pain in my butt which my doctors think is muscular but also suspect it might be a disk. I haven’t had an MRI yet because my insurance sucks, but I’m thinking about it. And I think the fix is the same - lots of strengthening. I hope you get better soon and keep swimming!

Same problem, confirmed with MRI. At a couple of points my entire right leg went numb. After about six months of mild exercise it got better, first from walking with crutches to gradually getting back into cycling - had to purposely get out of the saddle more (at first all the time when climbing) to ease to stress on the back. For the second six months or so got the sciatica occasionally. For a few years afterwards got some twinges in the back but that was the worst of it, no sciatica. My PT was a cycling enthusiast.

Sukee Sandra, I have a completely herniated disc L5-S1. The jelly in the donut extruded all the way down the right epidural canal to the midpoint of the sacrum. I have been most asyptomatic except for those moments when I move everso slightly the wrong way. Back spasm from hell. I am now starting to experience sciatica while doing certain yoga postures and pilates exercises. I am working on getting my overall fitness level up through riding and then to do specific yoga poses and pilates exercises to stregthen the core and provide greater ROM at all my joints. I’m also training my office mate to do CORE Myofacsial Spreading technique. My body is quite distorted from wrecks, hard living, poor beds, you name it. I know the that this unholy trinity of yoga/pilates/myofacsial spreading is going to make me a better man. 6 months from now, the veil will come off.

Oh, bag the resistance traing and find a qualified , certified, results oriented personal trainer. It’s all about the CORE and funtional training use swiss balls, rubber bands, leatherchaps, AIS, and some floor work. Also go for the yoga and pilates classes. They work wonders.

Oh, and don’t forget to find a jam up massage therapist who does CORE myo work or advanced sports massage, and don’t forget the practioners of AIS and ART.

Quick story. I’m working on my DR.s wife. She teaches aerobics, flexibilty training and pilates. She came to me bent over - unable to stand upright, with sciatica. I whipped my magical shit on her and an hour later she was walking as a homsapiens. She has been comming once a week and is continueing to improve. Her husband told me yesterday that she has gotton more pain relief and free joint movent from seeing me as compared to chiro’s, md’s and her own plan to fix what was wrong.

…where do you live?

Hi Sandra—

I hurt my back summer of 2001, 3 weeks before my first IM. did the IM anyways (probably not the best thing). Continued to have problems with sciatica in left leg (but no back pain). Sciatica worsened so I went to see a doc (supposedly the NYC Marathon doc). MRI showed slightly herniated L4. Was prescribed 8 weeks of PT, went to 6 of them then complained to doc that felt like I was just spinning my wheels, didn’t feel like PT was working me. Was frustrated because sciatica was still getting bad. Doc told me to let up on the exercise and to take it easy. This was extremely frustrating because I was looking for a solution to the problem and thought this doc would be able to tell me how to fix it------taking it easy and do less was not really the answer I was looking for. I tried other things like ART, acupuncture. I did start to take it easy because at this point, walking was painful and running was out of the question. Joined my friend to a yoga class on a whim. Was the best thing I did at that point. Strengthening the muscles of the body that I hardly used woke up my system. The sciatica lessened (although now I’m feeling pain in my back—usually after sleeping). Did my first triathlon since the injury in Spring 2003 (1/2 IM). Did IM Lake Placid 2004 and IM Canada 2005 and a couple marathons. I still have problems with my back but am able to work around it—just have to be careful and more aware of the body (yoga helps tremendously with this). The sciatica is nearly nonexistent. Of course injuries affect people differently, but this is my story. Really wish you the best of luck in getting back to form.

yung

Sandra - I have a herniated L5/S1. I found out about it two weeks after having bone surgery to remove a tumor from my femur. The pain from my back was pretty intense and I was certain that the only resolution would be surgery. I went to a PT who is an ultra-runner (has completed the Wasatch 100 several times). He used a rehab method called the McKenzie Method. I was skeptical at first. He gave me some real simple exercises (hyperextensions of the back while lying face down, other flexibility stuff, etc). It took a good 3-4 months to notice results but after a while I started feeling much better. After about the 6 month mark I was near 90% better and now I can say I’m nearly 100%. Last year I ran three marathons in the summer, some tris and a ton of riding on my bike. No real back issues. But there is a fact…once you’ve had a herniated disc the liklihood of TOTAL elimination of the condition is rare. It comes down to pain management…which for me, is reasonable.

I’d seek out a PT who uses the McKenzie Method and try it.

can i bring my wife over to see you? you know the history,something has to help

Sandra,

Had what I thought and was told was a likely bulging disc (no MRI), but after chucking out a desperate plea on a forum like this one I was pointed in the direction of SI joint issues. Armed with an alternative diagnosis I went to local physio. After 3 months of physio I’m getting there - my symptoms were almost exactly as you describe.

Worth checking out just for sure, just like I did. Prob best to cover all bases… Just my two penneth…

JC

I began experiencing sciatica a year ago April. Having suffered through bilateral bursitis of ischial tuberosities, I demanded X-rays and then had an MRI and was diagnosed with a slightly herniated L5-S1 disk on left side of my back. Problem was, sciatica was on the RIGHT side. After poking around, I figured out my piriformis was a mess, and that probably its shortness was putting pressure on the sciatic nerve.

So even though you have a herniated disk, what I believe can happen as a secondary effect is that the kinetic chain of muscles gets messed up, and then you need to undo everything (in reverse order, of course), learn about what signals your body gives you that tells you things are messed up (which happens from time to time, for example, I did a little too much running last week so things are acting up), learn how to work on yourself in addition to having a good sports massage therapist or perhaps ART practitioner work on you.

For me, here is how my breakdown occurs, I believe: iliopsoas tightens up QL maybe joins the party and tightens up hip rotators attempt to stabilize the hip due to the iliopsoas/QL tightness piriformis might put pressure on sciatic nerve causing seeming hamstring tightness -OR- quadriceps appears to tighten up while attempting to stabilize the leg due to weak/tight iliopsoas

So, when I sense the least bit of hamstring or quad tightness, I attack my iliopsoas with extra stretching. And I have my massage therapist work on it. And I work on it myself (using the book “The Trigger Point Therapy Workbook” as a guide; utilizing hand/thumb pressure and/or a tpmassageball).

When I had it bad last year, I found a series of stretches, which I amended, slightly, that got me back running within 2 weeks. I stretched both sides of my body (I think depending on your “handedness” even if a herniation is on one side, it may be the OTHER side of your body that’s affected, as is the case with me). PM me with your email address and I’ll send the stretches along.

Now my self-maintenance routine includes: Stretching 15-20’ daily. During this time, I check various parts of my back and glutes to see if something needs “extra” work, and I do self-trigger point work there. A fairly advanced core routine (I’ve been told it ain’t easy) to keep my mid- to lower-back and abs very strong. I can email this as well. Weekly massage, where I provide updates as to what I think needs work, and then he also looks for stuff I might not be aware of. He also does assisted stretching to me, which is excellent. There is some stuff you just can’t do yourself. Attention to posture, especially sitting. Sitting tightens up the back, hips, glutes and hamstrings, so if you sit a lot and don’t compensate for that extra tightening (which gets added to the sports stress), this can cause you extra trouble. I use a lumbar cushion in my office chair and have a regular kitchen seat pad in my car’s bucket seats (bucket seats will aggravate any back problem).

Sometimes, despite my best efforts, I experience some problems. When that happens, I back off on running intensity and/or volume for 1-2 weeks (which never seems to hurt me), and I am fine. I also notice empirically that when my biking volume picks up, I tend to have less trouble with my back/glutes/hips.

You will improve to the extent you are diligent about your self-care. It might also pay to have a biomechanical analysis done so that your strength program can be enhanced to address your limiters. In my case, I have no ACL in my left knee, so I believe that my right side (and I am right-handed) is constantly overcompensating for that issue. Nothing I can do about it except stay on top of things.

Last year from the time I had the MRI I was back running in 2 weeks. I took 2 weeks totally off, and stretched 2-3x daily, and then I eased back into running and was full strength in another 2 weeks. I did a sprint tri a month later and had some good sprint to HIM races during the summer.

It’s better to know what you are working with so you can copy with it!

Good luck!

Seems as though everyone has a slightly different story - including me. This just proves to me that everyone is different and has different body type, symptoms, lirestyle, not to mention insurance.

My herniated disk took a full year to really heal completely- I spent 6 full months in rehab with very very limited stationary cycling at the end. I didn’t run for almost 9 months. 15 month later I am back to training, but I spend 2 full hours most weeks on stretching and core work on my “green ball”.

I did get relief from “dRX 9000” traction machine (sounds like a new chrysler model doesn’t it?) but it relieved pressure on my disk and nerve.

I went 3 times a week at least to PT, and spend other hours at home.

After about a month I relented on my “no medical intervention” and had two nerve root injections, those helped immeaurably and after that I was about 90% pain free.

Really all I can counsel is patience and dedication to core- stretching- stability afte getting pain relief. A good Phys Therapist who works with athletes is critical.

I really had to teach myself to like my ball workouts and stretching, now it feels relaxing and almost like meditation if the room is quiet.

Amazon has several several books, I liked Robin McKenzie’s books and The Whartons books on stretching and lower back best.

definitely light, but expect to have to manage this for the rest of your life.

Here’s my experience/research:
I have the bulging L5-S1 disk as does a significant fraction of the population over 40.

According to the Mayo Clinic,
http://www.mayoclinic.com/invoke.cfm?objectID=0000C8FB-D0CA-1B77-962480AEBC2F006D&page=1

“most adults - as many as eight or nine in 10 - experience low-back pain at some point. A herniated disk, however, doesn’t always cause this pain. Disk herniation is often the result of a gradual, aging-related, degenerative process. These changes are part of the aging process and often occur without pain. Because of the natural course of disk degeneration, one-third of all adults age 20 and older show signs of disk abnormality. But only a small number of these people experience discomfort. The portion of the disk that herniates tends to shrink over time, and many cases show partial or complete shrinkage after six months to a year. About 90 percent of herniated lumbar disks get better without surgery.”

I found all this was quite reassuring during my episode of severe back pain two years ago… I could swim and bike without pain, in fact both of these actually helped the pain. Only running caused severe problems. My PT gave me a large range of exercises, and recommended both Pilates and yoga as maintenance in the long term. I had about four months off running, with weekly PT sessions and massage. I now have only mild pain, very little as long as I keep up with the core exercises and stretching.

Last year the back pain morphed into sciatica, which I’m still battling through. That too is responding slowly to a different set of core exercises and stretching. What really sucks is my limited training time now has to include a couple hours a week of core. I don’t enjoy core exercises.

It’s still the case that only running causes problems - no pain or issues at all when biking or swimming. I suspect this is just the basic overuse syndrome - whatever you did most of is what causes the problem. Ex-runners have problems from running, ex-bikers have problems from the bike… My wife has had lower back pain since her twenties, and running is the only thing that helps her back.

I’ve never raced IM, but I’ve done the Triple Bypass bike ride (124 miles, 10 000+ ft of climbing) since then, without problems: also run for 2+ hours without major problems.

Hey Sandra

4 years ago I was hit bay a car, took my rear wheel out and I twisted really hard to stay up witch I did but in the process I did the disc thing like most of the people here. It took a lot of work to get it better. The most important thing you can do is stick with it and never stop! I have found that even after 4 years I have to do my back exercises almost every day and if I don’t it gets sore.

I was lucky because riding the bike really helped me keep it lose.

Stick with it and be pro active in your treatment.

Dan…

I had a herniated disc/sciatica a few years ago but not as bad as yours as I was able to train. My pain was worse when i was inactive rather than when i was active.

Everyone has given good advise but I would recommend finding a chropractor that practices ART(active release therapy) and a good massage therapist. Both of these can help with your recovery and with pain management.

Continue to work your core. I have let mine go in the last 6-9 months and I am beginning to feel the low back/leg pain come back.

Good luck with your rehab.

Yeah buddy! Bring her over and let’s git 'er done.

Sandra-

I know how you feel and what you are going through. I was injured in 1997 in a car accident which started my back problems. I have a herniated disk along with sciatica. From that point on I dealt with 1-2 episodes per year of up to 2 weeks bedridden at a time. I began marathons in 2000 and I started triathlons back in 2003 and dealt with ups and downs. Running obviously seems to be the culprit each time I deal with a setback. I have gone through many rounds of PT and chiropractic care, and while they all have helped to a different degree, I still deal often with pain and numbness.

Last year I trained and completed IM Florida. I went to the chiro at least 1 day per week when I was feeling good and more when I was having pain. I think I took at least 1 week off at some point when itgot real bad and I was having spasms. I managed to train really well despite and made it to Florida. 2 days before the race, my back went out on me after a short training run/ride. I was devastated thinking I was out of the race. I was having spasms so my body compensated by shaping itself like a complete “C”. A friend dragged me to the Ironman Village where he made me try ART (Active Release Therapy). It’s similar to chiro care but uses more movement andpulling,pushing. I went 2 times per day those 2 days before the race and had a successful race! I am hooked on ART. Find someone in your area who practices ART and try it out. It has made a huge difference in my life (of course now I am 5 monthes pregnant and suffering b/c I have been off ART since pregnant).

Good luck

Good news! There IS good news. There IS a light at the end of the tunnel.

Bad news! Do NOT go towards the light! :slight_smile:

Seriously. My mum had a ruptured disc removed from her lower back about 25 years ago (she did it in a squash game). She was in horrible pain for several months with a few weeks being wheelchair bound!

She had the disc removed and no fusion of the vertebae either side of the removed disc. She is 99% recovered and suffers only very rare, very minor back discomfort from time to time. She is now 70 years old and her back is not her number 1 problem.

She never got back to squash, but by her own admission, was near to retiring anyway, prior to the disc problems. She’s relatively active still, but that is limited mostly to powerwalking several kilometres each day along the beach near her house. Her older boyfriend has mobility problems starting (he’s 83) and that limits her alot more than her past back problems.

I too have 3 minor disc herniations, caused by two separate skiing accidents that also crushed two vertabrae! Bugger. The Othopedic surgeon simply told me to take care, call him when it gets bad, but to keep doing all the IM training I want.
Some days they bother me, but not significantly. My belly causes me more issue than my broken back or my herniated discs, so I’ll just keep going…

Hi swimgirl,

So sorry it has taken me a while to respond work and rehab have been really busy. If you are having pain in your buttocks it could be “Piriformis?? Syndrome”. I would see if you could find a good Physio, they could also help you determine what is going on with the glutes. As you mentioned your insurance sucks…so if you can get your self a good Physio this would be less expensive I would think. Good Luck with it.

MaxVeeOhToo,

Thanks for the response. Sorry it has taken me a bit to response. I hear you about the body being distorted…poor posture, body alignment, poor beds, over training and not listening to the body.

I have an awesome exercise therapist who I have been working with doing core and Functional Training (Balls, Bands…you name it) which as been working awesome.

If you could send me any details about CORE myo work or advanced sports massage that would be awesome. I have had ART in the past, but not AIS???. If you are having any muscle tightness that won’t loosen I highly recommend IMS…it worked wonders for me.

I live in Vancouver.

Thanks!!!

Yung,

Thanks for response and feedback. It was nice to hear that you have been able to manage the injury, when you have a back problem it doesn’t ever really go away but I think that you just get better at managing it and find what works best for you.

Good news is the Sciatica seems to be subsiding…now I am just having tightness through the left leg (IT band, hand string and QL in the back) Slowing but surely it is coming around…with a lot of work.

I have been doing pilates, but not yoga as of yet. I think I will give it a try, as other people have mentioned it has helped them as well.

All the best with your training.

fefe,

When I read your posting, I was like “Oh my God” everything you mentioned pretty much mirrors all my symptons and rehab. I hear you about the kinetic chain…as this is exactly what is happening to me…everything is now going backwards to the core of the problem. I believe my body mechanics is a huge contributor to my overall problems. The good news is the Sciatia has subsided.

I believe most of my problems stem from body mechanics, always had poor posture (round shoulders, sway back, hunching…you name it) my back is finally sorting itself out and as a result it being localized and going back to the root of the problem.

Currently I am having some challenges with the left side, exactly what you mentioned below is what happens to me.

QL tightens, glutes get tight, which pulls on hamstring, IT Band and piriformis??? and the quads sometimes get in there too. I know that alot of this is caused from posture and that also my left hip is pretty locked…so if the hip is locked it puts added stress on all the muscles that are attached to it.

I do almost a similar rountine…I have found that my body absolutely likes mobility so every morning I go to the gym to do stretching, CORE exercises and Functional exercises with bands, tubing etc…this helps me out huge…if I don’t do it I am tight all day long.

I have had deep tissue massage, active release in the past, what I have found that works for me is IMS…this has been key to my recovery. It is more painful then massage and ART…but it has worked for me to release the tightened muscle.

I have also done some pressure point stuff on myself…just to see if I could release the muscle. I will definitely have a look for the book.

I hear you about posture…it is key…I have improved substantially…but it still is a constant battle…and as you mentioned sitting is the worst…as it causes the QL to compress…tightens glutes…etc…you know the drill.

Thanks so much for response. I don’t wish these problems on anyone, but it is nice to hear that you aren’t the only one.

All the best with your training and managing your injury.

Just curious, where do you live?

Sandra