Any one have any experience with this? Specifically I was wondering about a hard run session in the am, recover work and then a bike interval session in the evening?
well, you’re probably better off doing them on separate days, but, sure, why not?
Just getting ideas on how to schedule a training plan. I was planning on following polarized principles (80% z1/2 20% z5?) with a 9 day on 5 day off cycle with 3 key workouts in those 9 days.
For the next 5 months I will have a cycling focus with the key workouts all being with cycling, however as the shift goes from cycling events to Tri events I would need to add running intervals to develop some running speed. Not sure I want to give up cycling key workouts, and was curious if two key workouts in two sports would have less effect on each other if they were on the same day then on back to back days etc.
Just over thinking things, but that is my M.O.
Depending on how good a runner you are, you probably give up a few watts for the evening bike workout if you do a hard run in the morning. A weaker runner probably gives up more watts. YMMV. I generally do just one hard bike or run each day.
They’d have even less effect on each other if they were at least separated by a day or over 24 hours. With a polarized approach you should make sure that you’re able to go 100% for the times you do go hard.
I find that generally it is better to do hard sessions on separate days as the second workout is never quite as hard as you want or can go. Having said that it is good training to do it once and awhile and helps to teach the body for what it will encounter on race day.
I have had better luck doing the Trainer/ride workout in the morning and the run workout in the PM.
When I do the run first, I can never finish/hit the goal intervals on the bike for the entire workout. Seems to be a bit more specific too, running on more tired legs. Just my $.02!
Problem I have is with time. I start work at 7:00am. I have no desire to get up early enough to bike. I would have time to run though.
My reasoning only makes sense when my runs are a lot shorter then my rides.
I used polarized training for the first time this season to great success - I had the same dilemma: how to structure the hard sessions?
I decided to do all my intensity training for each sport on the same day - I arranged my schedule so that on Weds I could have a hard swim, hard bike, hard run.
I would do the same on either Sat or Sun - when race season arrived June 1st, I raced sprint to olympic almost every weekend, keeping the hard Weds - when I wanted to peak, I cut back to 50% quantity in early July - have never felt fresher in spite of racing 13 times with one more to go.
I think doing hard runs on already tired legs gets them race specific ready. ETA: In fact, I know that no matter how hard I push the bike in a race - and I tell myself this repeatedly during the bike - I know that I will still lay down a good run coz of the training.
I’ve done the 2 x 20 bike workout from 5-6 pm.
Dinner 6-7 pm
Followed by a 45 minute tempo run. 7-8 pm.
Oddly, this was not particularly difficult.
Yet I did have the feeling that the hard run was going to undue all the strength gains that were achieved by the hard bike.
I’ve done the 2 x 20 bike workout from 5-6 pm.
Dinner 6-7 pm
Followed by a 45 minute tempo run. 7-8 pm.
Oddly, this was not particularly difficult.
Yet I did have the feeling that the hard run was going to undue all the strength gains that were achieved by the hard bike.
I’m just jealous you can eat dinner and immediately go running.
Yeah eat-run is possible when it is less than 70 out. Even eat-run hard.
I don’t know why but I cannot handle swim-run under any circumstances though.
It makes me want to puke just thinking about it.
Used to do a lot of swim-run a few years ago. Just can’t handle eating pre-run really though.
Dunno, when I do a hard run and a hard bike in the same day, I usually have paid someone a lot of good money to close off a course and have provisions spaced out over it as well.
If you do the first right, the latter is going to be VERY VERY tough to rouse yourself to do. I’ve never seen 2 hard workouts on an elite’s training schedule. Not that they don’t happen, but probably the exception rather than the rule. And it’s probably safer to look at what is in common than what is the exception.
Are you trying to achieve some psychological or physiological advancement? Or is this more of a logistical question?