Halifax -- the part you probably don't know

as all of you who care to know the truth already know, my interest in the series is personal (i think it’s best for triathlon to have more robust trade names; more distance options between sprint and IM; and fewer athletes at the some of the overpacked bike courses). it is also mildy financial (we host the series’ reader forum, and we do the live coverage). i have no ownership in the series, i don’t get a spiff, i do not make any money or lose any money regardless of how many of you sign up or don’t, or whether companies sponsor the series or don’t. my full disclosure obligations satisfied…

as for halifax, i have been aware for some short period of time prior to this announcement that the race was in jeopardy. this had nothing to do with money. it had everything to do with the ability to get the course that the organizers thought they would get. one can debate whether they should’ve done the same thing wtih bradenton, and pulled the plug when they did not get the course they hoped to get in that town. me, i would’ve. they chose to stick it out in bradenton. as for halifax, it was my explicit counsel to cancel this event, based on the course questions still unresolved this close to the event. my counsel was to stop farting around with a race that is not coming together easily, and throw all the efforts behind making woodlands the race of races.

the hesitance on behalf of the 101 people to cancel this thing was strictly a case of the solidarity they felt with those who’d already entered the race. for that reason they spent more time trying to make that course work than i think they should have. the reason i gauge with certitude their motives leading up to this is because i had several conversations with the 101 folks and i therefore knew what troubled them about the impending decision to cancel or not cancel.

what does all this mean?

first, this series exhibits a behavior it cannot continue to exhibit: they need to make sure their courses are absolutely set before they announce, or they need to have a better instinct as to whether they’re going to have course problems down the line before they announce. i was always a stickler about my traffic plans for a new race. you get a sense for what the PD or the fire dept and emergency response is going to have a problem with. you have to think about the businesses and the churches, and about not splitting a town right down the middle, without the ability to get from one side to the other. time will tell if this group shores up what up till now has not been its strong suit.

second, it means (to me) that when this series cancels a race, it is for the right reason and not the wrong reason. back in the old days we’d have big-time RDs who’d announce on a race, with big prize money, etc., and they’d cancel the race for low numbers or for the lack of the ability to get a sponsor to fund the purse. these guys canceled the race because they couldn’t get the course they needed. yes, it’s bad to cancel a race. but i’d be much more worried if they were the sorts of folks who canceled for one of the other reasons.

of course, the pressure is on to put on a fabulous race at the woodlands. i have my concerns about this race as well, but they’re the opposite concerns. they have three events going off on the same day. now my concern is not that they’ll only have 150 people, but that they might have 1500 people. while that’s good on the one hand, it’s also worrisome, because they have not as of yet produced simultaneous events. until they do it, i don’t know what to expect.

from my perspective, that’s the good and the bad. i’m frankly relieved the decided to pull the plug on halifax. it has given them the opportunity to focus on the race that must go off without a hitch. when you consider the age-group timing snafu at Hy-Vee, that’s the sort of thing that can’t occur at the woodlands.

First, this series exhibits a behavior it cannot continue to exhibit: they need to make sure their courses are absolutely set before they announce,

I think that is the key statement right there. Out of curiosity, was it a case of not being able to get a course / police, etc out of the local city council? Or not being able to get the exact course they wanted? The difficulty that I saw was that they wanted to go through downtown Dartmouth and Halifax (Halifax a couple of times), and with the added distances that would have increased the pressure on the downtown core. But if they didn’t have to be in downtown Halifax, there are a ton of routes on the eastern side of Halifax Harbour that would have potientially worked.

Thanks for the full story…hope they are able to put on a great event in TX.

How does that jibe with the following statement by 101?

Triathlon One O One regretfully needs to inform you that this year’s Triathlon One O One Halifax event has been postponed until August 31st, 2008. The reason for the postponement is due to a recent resignation by our local race management company several days ago.

So, how many are signed up at this point for Woodlands, and will that entry rate screech to a halt with their so far disastrous season?

I can see your passion for this race series is evident. Quick question, why is there a separate forum for the 101 series. It seems to me that if you are interested in boosting the awareness of this series you would allow posts to be made about this series in the main forum, as just looking at the numbers the 101 specific forum is hardly read or posted to. Only those posts that start on the main forum and then get moved to the 101 specific forum have a lot of posts and then those threads die once they get to the 101 specific forum. Obviously, you have your reasons. I am just curious.

I can see your passion for this race series is evident. Quick question, why is there a separate forum for the 101 series. It seems to me that if you are interested in boosting the awareness of this series you would allow posts to be made about this series in the main forum, as just looking at the numbers the 101 specific forum is hardly read or posted to. Only those posts that start on the main forum and then get moved to the 101 specific forum have a lot of posts and then those threads die once they get to the 101 specific forum. Obviously, you have your reasons. I am just curious.

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“Out of curiosity, was it a case of not being able to get a course / police, etc out of the local city council? Or not being able to get the exact course they wanted?”

i don’t know. i wasn’t involved in any of that. i only know that they tried very hard, many phone calls, at all levels, and they just didn’t get the cooperation from the requisite elements in the needed time frame. i have heard, though i know no details, that the goodwill games looked pretty hard at halifax, but ran into similar difficulties in trying to get venue and course details to come together in the requisite time frame, and they also were forced to choose an alternate venue.

but i have spoken to no one at halifax, and will chalk it up to a bad match, at least for 2007. my guess is that you will not see a contraction on the 101 schedule, but a significant expansion, as 2008 approaches. i hope they do not go back to bradenton next year, but if they do i think they have learned their lesson, and will not do so unless they can satisfy themselves that their FIRST priority is the course.

i note that what you considered the key statement is the one specific blind spot or gap in this organization. i know that’s what a lot of folks will focus on, because it does not matter whether we’re talking about 101, nytro, usat, active.com, or this forum, the fixation is often on the specific negative thing, to the exclusion of the postiive that flows to you from that entity offering its goods and services. and that’s fine. that’s human nature.

I just checked yesterday and counted 270+ signed up for The Woodlands. There a few athletes listed twice, though - like KGrog! :slight_smile:

http://www.trioneoone.com/participants.asp?view=woodlands

Perhaps a logo change is in order?

http://www.timelessmyths.com/classical/gallery/daedalus.jpg

“How does that jibe with the following statement by 101?”

my understanding, which may be flawed, is that the RD resigned as a response to his inability to get, or frustration in his attempts to get, the course and everything that flows from that. without a local point of contact, 101 was left in what became the untenable position of trying to patch it altogether long distance.

I didn’t mean to imply that I was fixated on that one specific thing, but in this case anyway it seems that that one specific thing has undone all of the other positive stuff. I do not envy their task, to pull together a decent race (let alone a full series) requires a lot of things to go right.

Not sure about the Goodwill Games, but Halifax was a frontrunner for the Commonwealth games in 2014. We dropped the bid for those games primarily because the cost estimates came back and it would have been hugely expensive, more than a small city (350,000) in a relatively impoverished province could handle.

I just don’t understand why they were so hasty in announcing this race series. Its a great idea for a race distance. Why not plan it for 2008, start advertising for it and creating buzz for it in December of 2006, and then spend 2007 getting the courses set before accepting registrations for the 2008 race? Accepting applications for a 2007 race in December of 2006 when the course was not even set was a terrible, terrible idea. I stupidly signed up for Halifax the week the series was announced. Who in their right mind is going to make plans to attend one of these races now or train for one of these? Unless I lived within 10-miles of the Texas race there is no way I would plan on that one. Even living that close there is no way I would spend time training for it unless I had a really solid plan b.

I think this negative press needs to be stemmed by them somehow, as another race of less than 500 won’t get it done. I would love to have another real player in the tri game, but not the blundering way these have done it. From Dan’s earlier post, the Goodwill games couldn’t get it done there…how the hell did a fledgling startup like 101 think they could? Never announce until you have the thing locked up, as this negativity could be very destructive to them. I, for one, would not even consider enetering one of their races until they a.) show that they can get it done…well!, and b.) find a destination that I want to go to, that accepts them. Out of their lineup, the Halifax looked the best, and the others are simply dogs. At this point, I’d do a name change to get rid of that baggage(as well as it’s a crappy name anyway), and find some venues wanting me, and that others really want, and can afford to, travel to. They better get changing for life of their product.

Your link just takes to me the fact that his site has a FAQ. I haven’t seen a reason behind the separate forum, especially in light of the data regarding posts and threads in that forum.

“why is there a separate forum for the 101 series.”

i believe the 101 folks wanted to have a place where their customers could speak directly to them, much like USAT has a forum for reader feedback. keep in mind that the 101 forum will diverge from the slowtwitch triathlon forum more and more as time goes on, with its own functionality. for example, we’re installing a poll utility that both forums will use, but the poll questions are going to be different. 101 may ask you things like, “what regions would you most like to see a 101 event,” or, “what food would you like to have at the finish line.” they may want to have certain prompts right on the forum page, such as a link to an email that goes directly to the 101 crew, or a link to race registration, or the participant list of the upcoming races. none of the functionality they’d like to bring to bear down the road is available to them absent their own forum.

at the same time, it made sense to them to have their forum attached to the slowtwitch forum, so that they could avail themselves of 14,000 currently registered users, and the possibility that threads may get established on the main forum that would eventually be transferred over to the 101 forum.

Thanks for the response. Seems like a good idea for the increased functionality of a separate forum. I just question the overall effectiveness, especially in light of the fact that as many have pointed out once a thread is posted to/or moved to that forum it essentially dies. It would seem that you would get more interest in the series and hype by having it prominently displayed on the main board. Perhaps, dedicated a portion of the main board to Tri101 posts. I am just talking from a marketing/web design feature.

i click on it and get this:

We also host the reader forum for Triathlon One-O-One. We are fans of the series and ardently hope for its vibrancy, but neither Slowtwitch.com or its owner has any equity or stake in this series. We simply host its forum, and we provide the online coverage for its races.

Seems pretty self explanatory to me

I’m surprised to hear that there will be a significant expansion, but if they’re going to offer multiple distances at each stop on the calendar they’ll put themselves in a better position to be successful.

At any rate, I’m looking forward to seeing what they do at The Woodlands. I’m expecting a great experience.

With their track record, it should be a small field. Good luck.